Posted on 05/23/2009 12:15:01 PM PDT by rhema
>>I’m an Atheist - but I’m not ‘angry’ or victimized. I’m very happy and productive.
You are a rarity.
But I am pleased you are happy and productive. That is what God wants, so you fulfill His expectations whether you recognize Him or not. If your atheism is true and based on your honest analysis of our Universe, I am sure He won’t penalize you in the bye-and-bye. At least I hope so.
I don’t believe in athiests.
>>I think it’s the same neuortic affliction the queers have. They hate themselves and insist on demanding that everybody else love them to compensate.
I think that they really want us to hate them, and its our tolerance for their way of life that they themselves cannot stand that bothers them.
Look at how they sue to get us to accept something, and we capitulate. Then, they take it up a notch and sue for something else. They keep doing it until we finally draw a line and that’s when they can finally say, with a great deal of satisfaction, “See. They hate us!”
I admitted to an atheist friend that I was skeptical of evolution and he said “You are here aren’t you? There’s your proof” and I thought now that is about as ignorant a statement as they mock from the Christians who say “You are here aren’t you? That’s proof God is real”.
I am not saying either statement is ignorant, but the way they devote so much FAITH in an unproven theory is just as valid to them as our faith is to us, but they see themselves superior due to having something in their hand. What they have in their hand (fossils and such) proves nothing, but by God they can hold it so it MUST be real./s
The citizens of Sodom and Gomorrha controlled everything in the towns; still, they pounded on Lot’s door.
So he wasn’t an atheist...
“Dawkins, writing in “The God Delusion,” accuses the deity of being a “petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak” as well as a “misogynistic, homophobic, racist ... bully.” If there is no God — and you’d be way beyond stupid to think differently — why does it matter whether he’s good or evil?”
Better question, HOW can He be evil if he doesn’t exist?
Actually, he will be penalized. As per most religions.
I have an atheist friend (not the one who said the ridiculous statement on evolution. I happen to meet more than my share of atheists, including Hitchins because of my journalist/professor friend that I am talking about now) who wrote an excellent article warning atheist of falling into a dogma of their own.
It was a good article. It is not their job to preach to others. She dislikes Dawkins for this reason.
>>Actually, he will be penalized. As per most religions.
My God looks into the hearts of His children. He is magnanimous and awesome.
To be an atheist because it makes sense and is arrived at honestly is, IMHO, pardonable. John 3:16 says that those how receive His message and ignore it out of spite doom themselves.
But YMMV and we will all know in the Bye and Bye.
I’ve only met one atheist who I could tolerate being around - he was my car pool partner. Most of the time we talked about guns.
“The citizens of Sodom and Gomorrha controlled everything in the towns; still, they pounded on Lot’s door.”
I like that and it is true, here is a video from San Francisco that relates to that observation.
Young Christians being chased out of the Castro district.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRxFoBSPng
Well if she believes the religious are never boring I'd wager she's never waded through the crevo threads here at FR.
They’re so disdainful of faith.
And yet, they believe in things they can't prove as well.
How do you know George Washington existed?
You never talked to him.
You never saw him.
How do you know the records of him aren't just a contrivance of teachers and delusional historians?
How do you know the stories of him aren't just an ages-old conspiracy to enforce allegiance to America?
And look at some of the things surrounding him that we know couldn't be true.
According to some atheist reasoning I’ve heard about the Bible, doesn't this prove all of the stories false?
For instance, throwing a silver dollar across the Potomac.
Obviously a fabrication.
And the wooden teeth and the cherry tree/cannot tell a lie.
Obviously just plots by a society of GW believers to promote dental hygiene and honesty.
Everyone relies on faith. Even the atheist has faith. Just his faith fits in better with his worldview. Jesus fits in better with mine.
Ironically, most atheists I've encountered were not particularly bright and definitely not "free thinkers" even though they seemed anxious to label themselves as such. But most just reiterated the same argument but without really understanding the finer points of it nor able to examine their premises utilizing their own free thought. Most of the intelligent atheists I've encountered abandoned their atheist claims and retreated to agnosticism when pressed on their views.
At least yours is a reasoned and rational response. I’ve been waiting for one all day.
While the Constitution is a remarkable document, and frames a remarkable form of government, it nowhere explicitly declares a moral compass, e.g. that murder or theft are illegal. Then, upon what can you base the illegality of these acts? Your own preconceptons? That you wouldn’t want anybody to do that to you? These reasons are not external, not objective, not transcendent, and definitely not eternal.
Furthermore, the Constitution draws its strengths from the faiths of those who compiled it.
One of the principal framers of the Constitution, John Adams, said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
By my reckoning, the framers intended the proscription against any religious test to protect against sectarianism, as did the First Amendment. These were not intended to purge faith from the public arena, since the entire structure of the country was founded on men of faith and was intended to be upheld and obeyed by men of faith.
There is also the appeal in the Declaration of Independence to “the laws of nature and of nature’s God”, upon which the Constitutional Framers depended in order to “entitle them” to establish a new government and write a Constitution.
Virtually every one of the Framers of the Constitution were men of faith, however feeble. Virtually all believed at least in a Prime Mover who established the external, objective, transcendent Truths from which they fashioned virtually all of their remarks and the Constitution itself.
While the proponents of faith do lie, those to whom their faith is real, would have to live with an unsettled conscience all their days or make amends with any parties injured by their lies. I have seen this again and again after Christian conversions, including my own.
An Atheist, while he may actually be more truthful than a man of faith, has nothing upon which to base his truthfulness. In fact, it could be subject to change with the vicissitudes of life or fashion.
Ours is a Judeo-Christian heritage. For the heritage of the atheists, look to places like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and China.
The Judeo part of our heritage is not limited to the Old Testament. It’s symbology is on our money, as well. Look at the back of your dollar bill. Look at the star formed by the 13 stars over the Eagle’s head. Magen David. Then turn the bill upside down and look at the Shield under the Eagle. Menorah.
And finally I leave you with, “In God We Trust”.
> Better question, HOW can He be evil if he doesn’t exist?
Even better question, HOW can you even know what evil is, if there is no external, objective, transcendent, ETERNAL TRUTH to define it?
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