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More stockpiling ammunition: Fear of potential Obama laws causing mass sales
missouliandotcom ^ | May 20, 2009 | By PERRY BACKUS Ravalli Republic

Posted on 05/20/2009 5:00:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Every day, Darren Newsom's three Bitterroot Valley Ammunition facilities crank out 300,000 rounds of ammunition.

It's not nearly enough.

“I'm going about 100,000 rounds in the wrong direction every day,” Newsom said. “We probably have about six months of back orders right now.”

Newsom has been in the ammunition manufacturing business for more than 20 years and he's never seen demand this high.

Fearful of the Obama administration's potential to tighten gun control laws, people from all over the country are stocking up on guns and ammunition.

“I went through the Clinton years and there was a bit of a scare then,” Newsom said. “This is like the Clinton years on steroids. � On the day of the election, our phones started going nuts. It hasn't stopped since.”

As a master distributor for ATK - the world's largest ammunition business - Bitterroot Valley Ammunition supplies other ammunition manufacturers around the country with the components needed to make bullets.

“I get a million primers in every other day and most are shipped out the very next day,” he said. “I have 100 million primers on back order right now. We just can't get enough of them.”

At a recent gun show in Salt Lake City, Newsom sold somewhere between 300,000 and 400,000 rounds in the first two hours.

“It's just unreal,” he said. “Somewhere in lots of basements around the country, there are millions of rounds of ammunition being stored.”

Local businesses have felt the ammunition shortage.

At Bob Ward's in Hamilton, Mike Matteson said there has been quite a run on ammunition and reloading supplies like bullets and powder since the election.

“We are especially low right now with pistol ammunition,” Matteson said. “There are four or five calibers that we don't even have on our shelves.”

(Excerpt) Read more at missoulian.com ...


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To: Travis McGee

Want to thank you. I fired my CZ 52 for the first time today. What a blast and I can tell it’s way better than I am. I haven’t shot much in a long while and I was dropping them in the little red man’s chest at 10 yards. (I guess it’s the bike riding thing) Recoil is no sweat. I did change out a pair of skanky looking rollers with Harrington’s. I had to double hit one of my Romanian cartridges and one blew a primer out. Obviously not carry ammo. I was Deadeye Dick with this compared to my .38 snub nose. Thanks again.


221 posted on 05/21/2009 1:17:01 PM PDT by Stentor (The Criminal Obama Administration.)
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To: Travis McGee

They even invented a crude single shot .45 strictly as “a gun to get a gun.”
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Since I’m sure that you’ve seen this article (because you contributed to it), I post this link for the benefit of others: “What Good Can A Handgun Do Against An Army?”

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8a3ddb4869.htm


222 posted on 05/21/2009 1:31:52 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Travis McGee

I know Wolf makes new production stuff and also S&B but yeah, harder to find.


223 posted on 05/21/2009 1:41:14 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Ancesthntr

I have a chief’s special right now in my pocket. Buts it has that hammer on it and a 642 doesnt have the sharp edges..Youre right on the money about the crimson trace sights. Ive been thinking of putting them on my glock 19 for some time now.


224 posted on 05/21/2009 1:45:30 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous ( I think you're so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Ancesthntr

to be honest, my uncle is too stupid to understand that kind of humor.

If you met him, you’de see what I mean.


225 posted on 05/21/2009 1:47:08 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous ( I think you're so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for posting this info!


226 posted on 05/21/2009 2:07:24 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO- Dark Lord of Chaos, President of USSA, Israel, and 57 muslim states!)
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To: GYL2

If it gets to the point they feel comfortable confiscating... Its already too late.

Just make sure your drawing your line WELL short of that point.


227 posted on 05/21/2009 2:29:21 PM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: Ancesthntr
The tax revolt is what will undo this thing.....The wheels are beginning to come off.

Fauxbamo and the rest of the Looters don't realize that the achievers and producers aren't simply going to sacrifice themselves for “The Good of the Collective”

It's like two trains heading for each other on the same track – One are the tax Payer's that aren't going to be productive if 80 – 90 % of what they make is seized at the point of a gun

And those that expected to be paid off for their support.

It's not going to turn out well if they don't do something else.

228 posted on 05/21/2009 2:40:49 PM PDT by JGalt2009 (Shrugging)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The Tipping Point is NOW!


229 posted on 05/21/2009 3:09:44 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: mrmeangenes
mrmeangenes said: "Is all that hoarding out of fear - or are there other factors at work ??"

I'm reminded of a scene with Nicolas Cage in "Red Rock West". Cage hides on top of a truckers cab and startles the trucker. The trucker stops the truck, grabs a large revolver, and points it at Cage. Cage says, "I'm sorry if I scared you". The trucker responds, "DO I LOOK SCARED?".

In short, you might consider that some are motivated by ANGER and not FEAR. Anger that our Constitution is just so much toilet paper in the hands of the Democrats. Anger that what passes for "rights" now are mostly "entitlements", given not by our Creator, but by government. Anger that the rule of law will now be sacrificed for "empathy" on our Supreme Court.

230 posted on 05/21/2009 3:52:07 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

So noted.


231 posted on 05/21/2009 4:20:00 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man said: "I make this distinction on purpose because people have in the past demonized those that planned ahead as hoarders, when it simply isn’t true. "

What's wrong with "stockpiling" money so that one can purchase goods and services during a crisis? If the owners of a commodity wish to sell to me at inflated prices, how does my "stockpiling" suddenly become "hoarding"?

232 posted on 05/21/2009 4:32:26 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: kittymyrib
>>We need to get to the point that government is more scared of the people than people are of the government.<<

It really bugs me that our government has become a sort of oligarchy or something.

People in this country put our elected officials up on a pedestal as if they were royalty.

Man this is all backwards.

Now the likes of McCain, Kennedy and Pelosi suck it up and act as if there above us all.

NEWS FLASH: The president and Congress are “Servants of the people”

233 posted on 05/21/2009 4:40:30 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: smokingfrog

Everyone who is eligible should buy a gun and learn how to use it. If you already have a gun, buy another. Don’t forget to buy plenty of ammunition. (A store in FL just advertised that they have 1 million rounds for sale, various popular kinds.)

The Second Amendment is just as important as the First Amendment. The Second says, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Exercise your rights. Insist on your rights.


234 posted on 05/21/2009 5:07:25 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: CodeToad
"You call 5,000 rounds hoarding???"

Any more than you need for a reasonable period is hoarding. Its the jerks out there that have bought massive and unreasonable quantities of primers and ammo that have caused the shortages. Just to feel good. Just to have more than the other guy. Just to satisfy some sort of paranoia. Just to show how clever they are. Just to make huge profits in the future.

The last one will teach these folks a lesson. The same sort of individual bought massive quantities of primers during the Hillary Panic of 1994. They paid up to $35/m for primers that retailed for $15/m at the time. Within 7 months prices dropped back to normal and they were stuck with product that they paid double its real value. Only recently have retail prices risen to that level, and mostly because of the cost of commodity metals.

Some of the folks with excessive stocks of powder and primers had better check the national fire code about storage of such items in their homes and their own insurance policies. Sometimes Carma works.

235 posted on 05/21/2009 5:11:20 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head; KoRn
Please explain exactly what you are doing, other than:

1. Buying more than you need.

How do you know what I need? I certainly don't need your opinion to make my determination of that quantity. Maybe I would like to have a little range time, or a lot of range time to keep my skill level where I would like it to be.

2. Preventing others from buying what they might actually need.
They are welcome to participate in the market themselves. Or maybe we should take from each according to his ability and give to each according to his need...

3. Creating an unnatural and unnecessary shortages.
I contend that our government is creating the shortages. If the manufacturers were confident that no move would be make to hobble them, then they would be building new plants, and expanding their businesses to capture the added demand.

4. Driving up the price of the commodities you are hoarding.
As has been previously pointed out, there is a distinct difference between stockpiling and hoarding. I am stockpiling now. I will be hoarding mine when it is no longer available.

Do you have any concept of the following?

a) The amount of ammunition issued to a combat soldier?

Non sequitur. Soldiers are individually issued amounts from an enormous stockpile. Do you have any concept of the following: a) How much ammunition the military stockpiles in order to be able to issue rounds to soldiers?

b) The number of rounds expended per soldier in the average firefight?
Non sequitur. Soldiers can assume to be resupplied during or after a firefight. I'm also not sure the concept of an average firefight has a lot of value to anyone involved.

c) The number of rounds expended in the average civilian gun fight?
If the average civilian wins, then the correct answer is "enough". Otherwise, too few, and not well placed.

d) How long a barricaded gunman survives in his bunker against heavier weaponry?

A shorter time than the one with superior weaponry. The more is to pick your fights carefully.

236 posted on 05/21/2009 5:28:35 PM PDT by NonLinear (If your outgo exceeds your income, then your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: Travis McGee

That is a damn good idea


237 posted on 05/21/2009 5:35:57 PM PDT by servantoftheservant (`)
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To: servantoftheservant

I think it would be easy to do.


238 posted on 05/21/2009 5:38:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (All "Foreign Enemies And Traitors" pre-orders have been mailed out.)
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To: smokingfrog

If the people worried about ammo would have put in half the effort and a tenth of the money to elect McCain, we wouldn’t be in this mess.


239 posted on 05/21/2009 5:39:33 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: NonLinear
So much for proofreading: The moral is to pick your fights carefully.
240 posted on 05/21/2009 5:49:28 PM PDT by NonLinear (If your outgo exceeds your income, then your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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