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To: ConservativeMind
You obviously didn't read the Catholic church's legal defense. Read post #40 and get back with us.

Post #40? I read the entire article. Twice.

The Catholic Church did not mount a legal defense. The religious orders who ran these institutions did. That's important because it undercuts your worthless conclusion that the Catholic Church is corrupt to the very top. That is pure, unadulterated garbage. There has been systematic protection of abusers within the Church in this country and Ireland by some members of the hierarchy and some religious orders.

The actual stats on the other hand (linked in one of the posts above) of percentages of priests and religious involved and the numbers of bishops who failed to remove these priests and religious from ministry, in no way justify your broad conclusion.

Your statement that the "corruption cannot be fixed in any normal way" is purely wishful thinking. It will be and it has. The Catholic Church will emerge from this scandal stronger, not weaker. That's right, stronger. Despite the scandal which broke in '02 in this country, vocations and conversions are increasing.

You'll have to put the high fives on hold, I'm afraid.

73 posted on 05/20/2009 1:30:48 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

So, the Catholic religious orders in Ireland that used their odd legal reasoning in national court in Ireland, do not represent the Catholic church? Please explain that to a non-Catholic such as myself. Is it that these “entities” now expelled from Catholicism?

What do you make of the Vatican documents that detail the obfuscation of these multi-national abuses that did make it into the court proceedings in Ireland that show the Vatican knew these things and insisted on not turning this information into authorities? That basically tells me that the Vatican is fully complicit in covering up the crimes.

What of the 66% of the bishops, from the Catholic Caucus thread, that sat on these things, here in the US? Are these specific 66% of the Catholic bishops in the US no longer with the Catholic church or, in fact, were never representing the Catholic church? If so, please explain what entities who work in the Catholic church actually work for the Catholic church.

I must admit, it seems confusing the way you put it.


74 posted on 05/20/2009 1:40:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: marshmallow

You are rigth about that. I know a lot of people(20 or so?) who were raised Protestant and in the last 5 years have converted. We always welcome them back to the church. ;)


75 posted on 05/20/2009 2:05:35 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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