So, the Catholic religious orders in Ireland that used their odd legal reasoning in national court in Ireland, do not represent the Catholic church? Please explain that to a non-Catholic such as myself. Is it that these “entities” now expelled from Catholicism?
What do you make of the Vatican documents that detail the obfuscation of these multi-national abuses that did make it into the court proceedings in Ireland that show the Vatican knew these things and insisted on not turning this information into authorities? That basically tells me that the Vatican is fully complicit in covering up the crimes.
What of the 66% of the bishops, from the Catholic Caucus thread, that sat on these things, here in the US? Are these specific 66% of the Catholic bishops in the US no longer with the Catholic church or, in fact, were never representing the Catholic church? If so, please explain what entities who work in the Catholic church actually work for the Catholic church.
I must admit, it seems confusing the way you put it.
The Christian Brothers are a Catholic religious order, some members of which violated the teachings of the Catholic Church and the order itself may be complicit in admitting to its ranks men who were unsuitable for the religious life due to homosexual orientation or practice, again, in direct violation of the discipline of the Church.
Is that a clear enough enough explanation of the difference beween these religious orders and the Catholic Church?
What do you make of the Vatican documents that detail the obfuscation of these multi-national abuses that did make it into the court proceedings in Ireland that show the Vatican knew these things and insisted on not turning this information into authorities? That basically tells me that the Vatican is fully complicit in covering up the crimes.
I haven't read the documents, don't know their number and am not privy to how many were not turned over to the authorities, nor their reasons for not doing so, if that is indeed the case. I do know, and I'm sure you do too, the way Pope John Paul II and the present Pope have reacted to these scandals and if you don't, then do a quick search and see. I also note that the Vatican has turned over many documents detailing abusers, which certainly undercuts your argument that the problem can't be fixed.
What of the 66% of the bishops, from the Catholic Caucus thread, that sat on these things, here in the US? Are these specific 66% of the Catholic bishops in the US no longer with the Catholic church or, in fact, were never representing the Catholic church? If so, please explain what entities who work in the Catholic church actually work for the Catholic church
Two thirds of Catholic bishops reportedly allowed those who were accused of abuse to keep on working. That is the situation as I understand it. Corruption is just one possible reason for that. Another is that they thought the problem could be fixed with counseling and that the courts were not the right place to resolve these issues. Another is that they simply didn't believe the accusations or they didn't think them to be important.
None of this rises to convincing proof of your "terminally corrupt" accusation. It's a scandal and a terrible one. Your attempt to damn the entire Catholic hierarchy however, is well wide of the mark.