Posted on 05/20/2009 9:26:48 AM PDT by nuconvert
DUBLIN – A fiercely debated, long-delayed investigation into Ireland's Roman Catholic-run institutions says priests and nuns terrorized thousands of boys and girls in workhouse-style schools for decades — and government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rapes and humiliation.
Nine years in the making, Wednesday's 2,600-page report sides almost completely with the horrific reports of abuse from former students sent to more than 250 church-run, mostly residential institutions.
It concluded that church officials always shielded their orders' pedophiles from arrest to protect their own reputations and, according to documents uncovered in the Vatican, knew that many pedophiles were serial attackers.
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These are supposed to be Christians who are beating and raping and allowing the rapes of these children. They should be answering to a higher power than public schools, which have denied the higher power (GOD), and believe me, these people will not stand before a righteous God and go unpunished.
Yes, some of them WERE evil, mom. You can’t deny that.
But if those nuns beat you, and some apparently did, what would that do to your view of God? Probably destroy it. I have a friend who was in a Catholic orphanage as a child and the nuns were terrible to her. She remembers having to crawl across gravel on her hands and knees. That kind of thing destroys you. She never really got over it. They’re supposed to have a higher standard than social workers.
They really can’t, but they will deny it. It’s best to open the wound and let it heal than to close it over and let it fester.
Christian missionaries did the same to the indian population here and in Cnada.
I know a young man, a teenager or early 20s, in jail now because of false accusations in a nursery school. He refuses to go to a group where he would confess his sins and then be let go, because he never did it in the first place. He will probably spend 15 years there for a crime he never committed just because he won’t confess. Something is wrong here with our system.
And add my husband to the ones who WERE Catholic and saw the light and became born again believers and left the church.
My husband left the Church and gained his salvation, hallelujah.
Yes, could be. It depends if they were lovingly strict or meanly vindictive.
We had corporal punishment and hard work assignments at the prep school I went to, and as far as I can see, it was basically a good thing. Sometimes it was unfairly administered, but most students could see that the purpose was good. And not a few of those kids needed straightening out.
Among the helpful things it taught me is that life is tough.
Nowadays, there’s no such thing as corporal punishment in the schools. Instead, they send you to a psychiatrist and put you on ritalin, or they send you home for a week, or they just let you go off the rails and do nothing to really try to change it.
No, we don’t all worship the same God, wolfcreek. Muslims certainly don’t, Mormons have a different version of God and Christ as do many other cults who call themselves Christians. Most protestants and Catholics do worship the same God. We differ on some of the extra-biblical stuff however.
I agree. Kids get away with murder (literally) in schools these days. If a principal or teacher tries to discipline a child, they get into deep doo with parents (who are wrong). When they took God out of the schools, things only got much worse.
Since I belong to no denomination but, consider myself a Christian, do I worship a different God than you?
Yes, but our children get beaten and raped just the same - and that was my question.
How is it different? The result and the crimes and the victims are all the same.
We will definitely rent this.
Thanks for the referral. Sad.
If you’re a Muslim, yes. If you’re a born-again Christian or of the usual protestant or Catholic persuasion, no. It’s the same God. I don’t know your background or if you’re a Mormon,Jehovah’s Witness or whatever. But I’m wiling to venture that it’s no.
I get what you're saying about the conditions of his incarceration: no way can he get early parole unless he "confesses."
Terrible,terrible that he got prison time over a crime for which there was probably no real evidence, except an accusation.
I had a friend who had a similiar accusation by someone who was in his mother's child-care, in her home.
He did not want to put his mother through a trial, so he pled guilty: no time, but it was on his record and his name appeared in a sex-crime registration base, for which he was run out of a neighborhood years later when he was married with children.
He was eventually able to get it expunged, after he had no further accusations, some twenty years after the original crime.
I agree: what ever happened to guilty without a shadow of a doubt?
It’s been so hard on his family. They’re fine Christian people and so was this young man. He’s doing very well in spite of it all. He’s done college courses and began a Christian Bible Study there. He’s made the most of it, all that he could. Problem is everyone believes the so-called victims because they’re young, even though they may have been coached to say the things they did. So many accusations eventually prove incorrect but by then many lives have been ruined.
Where can you get ahold of a copy.
It's a great documentary. Not only does it show the lengths the RCC went to in order to protect a particular priest, but it also provides some of Archbishop Mahoney's deposition in Los Angeles. His evasive non-answers and obvious squirming manage to outdo even Bill Clinton's ("depends on the meaning of 'is' is") testimony.
The Amazon editorial review of the DVD says...
A devastating investigation into the pedophilia scandals tearing apart the Catholic Church, Deliver Us From Evil begins by looking into one priest, Father Oliver O'Grady, who agreed to be interviewed by journalist/filmmaker Amy Berg. O'Grady's genial calm is at first ingratiating, until he begins to describe his crimes with an unsettling sociopathic detachment. But O'Grady's blithe interview is only half of the story, as the documentary also unveils how church superiors covered up O'Grady's crimes and shuffled him from diocese to diocese in northern California, finally placing him in an unsupervised position of authority in a small town, where he sexually assaulted dozens of children; the video deposition of Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahoney is a grotesque portrait in brittle denial. What makes Deliver Us From Evil crucial viewing, however, are the remarkable interviews with a few of the victims (now adults) and their parents, whose stories are wrenching and riveting. With the support of a priest seeking to reform the church, two of the victims actually go to the Pope, seeking some form of help in addressing O'Grady's crimes. This stunningly potent documentary combines raw feeling with lucid and persuasive discussions of the reasons for--and disturbing breadth of--this crisis within the Church. --Bret Fetzer
The saddest thing is to see the victims' agony that continues to this day, and their families who suffer tremendous guilt for permitting the abuse to continue. One father says he's so ashamed and angry that he's lost his faith in God completely. Complete devastation.
Doesn't it ever occur to anyone that perhaps this kind of covert abuse is in part responsible for the growing number of homosexual men in this country? Ask around. See how many homosexuals went to parochial school or spent a lot of time at the rectory after school. While it's only anecdotal, it's still pretty amazing. I'm not holding my breath for any government-sponsored survey soon. Too bad. It might be eye-opening.
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