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To: South40
"I’ll never understand why Jews in America vote DemoncRAT"

It's simple to understand. Most American Jews have all but abandoned any deep understanding of the covenant relatinship between God and his people, which involves the land of Israel. This is not much different from the rampant spread of replacement theologies among many Christians that tend to support Sparky. Without a deep understanding of that covenant committment, why wouldn't they support Obama? Infected theology produces infected everything else. Note that most orthodoxed and Messianic Jews do not support Obama, because they understand the deeper meaning of their scripture.

24 posted on 05/18/2009 6:20:03 PM PDT by KentStateInfidel
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To: Star Traveler
In response to your long Biblical post on the now locked thread:

Some years back there was a flood in the midwest.

"Dick" (not his real name) was in its path.

His neighbors came by and offered to drive Harvey to safety.

Dick said, "No thank you, God will protect me."

As the water started to rise the National Guard came by in a deuce-and-a-half and offered to move him to a shelter.

Dick said, "No thank you, God will protect me."

Soon the streets and his yard were under water.

The fire department came by with their rescue boat and offered him a lift.

Dick said, "No thank you, God will protect me."

Soon the water rose to the eves of his roof, Dick went up onto the ridge top.

The Army showed up with a helicopter and begged Dick to get in the basket.

Dick said, "No thank you, God will protect me."

Shortly after the helicopter faded out of sight, the house collapsed under the force of the rushing water. Dick was swept away and drowned.

When Dick got to heaven he asked God "Why didn't you protect me?

God said "I tried. I sent a car. I sent a truck. I sent a boat. I even sent a friggin' helicopter!"

Star Traveler, don't be a Dick...

26 posted on 05/18/2009 6:27:08 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 119 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: administrator
All of us on the other "like thread" which was in number of comments in the 60's is locked for a shorter thread? Lot of work went into the posts on the other thread by many to have it locked now. Researched posts. That initial Poster; I am sure, was unaware; as were all of us who were posting having never read the earlier post today.

Respectfully submitted.

27 posted on 05/18/2009 6:30:19 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: KentStateInfidel

Well, there is a hatred of Israel in a large group of Christian churches. But, there is a smaller but *significant group* that gives Israel her support from Christians. The following tells exactly *what group* of Christians that is, and which groups display a hatred for Israel...

I outlined where this “hatred” still exists in the Christian church today and is still in existence in certain “theologies” that *promote* that hatred, in the following thread...

Unrequited Love: Evangelicals and Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2249869/posts

[ from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2249869/posts?page=7#7 ]


The article said — Christianity continues to throw aside a long history of anti-Semitism to embrace what increasingly powerful Evangelicals see as God’s view of the Jewish people.

This is sort of a misleading statement. The fact of the matter is that “Christianity” is *not* throwing aside a long history of anti-Semitism.

The *same anti-semitism* of “Christianity that was represented in the past, is still in evidence and practice today in the so-called Christian circles, because they have not changed their attitudes that result from the *false theology* that they’ve been carrying along, all these past centuries. That theology is still in play today. And that leads to the continued anti-Semitism.

Where you will find the *overwhelming support* of Israel, is from the Christians who believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, in all that it teaches *and* in all that it says (on anything it says). And along with that goes the absolute confidence that the Bible describes the future events related to Israel, very literally, in the prophecies of the Old Testament and the New Testament. It’s that conviction that these prophecies will be fulfilled exactly as God says they will that leads to that support of Israel.

Now, there’s a very long history in the so-called “Christian church” where there’s a theology (in many churches) that says that Israel has no more significance with God, any more than any other nation in the world does. There’s nothing special about Israel, as far as God is concerned. And that God has basically “given up” on Israel, since they refused to recognize Jesus as the Messiah, and now the “church” is the one who takes the “driver’s seat” and God is concerned with the “church” and *not* with Israel any more.

That viewpoint leads to many churches condemning Israel and promoting Palestinians issues and politics over Israel. So, when you see a *large segment* of “Christianity” supporting Palestinian issues over Israeli interests and to the detriment of Israel — you can be assured that it’s *this group* of Christians who believe that Israel has no more significance in God’s future plans and that the “church” has taken over the “promises of God” (given in the Bible to Israel). They say that the church is the “new Israel” (and thus the present-day Israel has nothing to do with what the Bible says for these present times).

The ones who *will support* Israel, are the Biblical inerrancy supporters, the supporters of future prophecies being fulfilled in terms of Israel — and more specifically (in some theological terms) — those who believe in the pre-millennial view of Christ returning to earth, and predominantly the pre-tribulational view of the Rapture of the church prior to the Tribulation and the Dispensational view of Scripture.

That’s the area where the support of Israel comes from — and *not* from those who *deny* those positions that I’ve just outlined.

You can be pretty well assured that those who deny the coming 1,000 year reign of Christ on this earth (as Revelation says) will not support Israel as having any significance in God’s future plans. And those who deny the Rapture of the church will for the most part not be supporting Israel. Those who decry “Dispensationalism” as a method for understanding the Bible will also castigate anyone who thinks that Israel should be supported any more than Afghanistan or India or Mexico or Bolivia should be supported or having any significance with God.

In terms of their teachings and theology that leads to denying support of Israel, for the most part, it’s the Catholic Church, the Presbyterian Church, the Lutheran Church, and others who deny the theology as listed above (that I noted come from people who *do support* Israel).

Anyone who decries “prophetic events” of today as leading to the “end-times” spoken about in the Bible, as saying that these ideas are not valid from the Bible — are basically the ones who will also deny any support of Israel from any Biblical significance and from any plan of God (for Israel) for the future. You can see them posting here on Free Republic repeatedly, decrying what the Bible says about the future of Israel and denying that Israel has any significance at all.

So, keep in mind, that the *primary support* comes from those who do held to the concept of Biblical Inerrancy, along with a pre-millennial position, and (mostly) from a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, along with the acknowledgement that Christ will rule and reign over this earth in the 1,000 year Millennial Reign (in Revelation 20, for example), along with those who hold to a Dispensational viewpoint of the Scriptures. *That* is where the “Christian support” of Israel comes from.

The rest of the so-called “Christian church” is actually *against* Israel and the antagonism towards Israel (in this large segment of the Christian church) is ramping up and increasing. And it’s *this group* that appears to be growing into the *Apostate Christian Church* of the end times, denying what the Bible says that God will do with Israel.

For reference to the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, a position held by many Christians (and especially those who support Israel, for sure...) see the following link...

Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy with Exposition
http://www.bible-researcher.com/chicago1.html

The “Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy” was produced at an international Summit Conference of evangelical leaders, held at the Hyatt Regency O’Hare in Chicago in the fall of 1978. This congress was sponsored by the International Council on Biblical Inerrancy. The Chicago Statement was signed by nearly 300 noted evangelical scholars, including James Boice, Norman L. Geisler, John Gerstner, Carl F. H. Henry, Kenneth Kantzer, Harold Lindsell, John Warwick Montgomery, Roger Nicole, J. I. Packer, Robert Preus, Earl Radmacher, Francis Schaeffer, R. C. Sproul, and John Wenham.

The ICBI disbanded in 1988 after producing three major statements: one on biblical inerrancy in 1978, one on biblical hermeneutics in 1982, and one on biblical application in 1986. The following text, containing the “Preface” by the ICBI draft committee, plus the “Short Statement,” “Articles of Affirmation and Denial,” and an accompanying “Exposition,” was published in toto by Carl F. H. Henry in God, Revelation And Authority, vol. 4 (Waco, Tx.: Word Books, 1979), on pp. 211-219. The nineteen Articles of Affirmation and Denial, with a brief introduction, also appear in A General Introduction to the Bible, by Norman L. Geisler and William E. Nix (Chicago: Moody Press, rev. 1986), at pp. 181-185. An official commentary on these articles was written by R. C. Sproul in Explaining Inerrancy: A Commentary (Oakland, Calif.: ICBI, 1980), and Norman Geisler edited the major addresses from the 1978 conference, in Inerrancy (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1980).

Clarification of some of the language used in this Statement may be found in the 1982 Chicago Statement on Biblical Hermeneutics [http://www.bible-researcher.com/chicago2.html ].


The “hatred” of the Jews still goes on in the Christian church. Pay attention to the *specific theology* of the Christian church which *does not* contain that hatred!!


28 posted on 05/18/2009 6:31:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: KentStateInfidel

Israel bump.


60 posted on 05/18/2009 10:13:44 PM PDT by Ciexyz (I heard Joe the Plumber speak 03-30-2009.)
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