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What Notre Dame Taught
Takimag ^ | 5/17/09 | Tom Piatak

Posted on 05/17/2009 6:18:19 PM PDT by Thorin

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To: muawiyah
different wording in the conscience clause

Any medical student who refuses to perform an abortion will become eligible for retraining in hamburger flipping.

that appears to be what the folks who run Notre Dame were trying to get out of him.

They got nothing from him but a talking point to beat pro-lifers over the head with. Calculated move to deflate opposition.

21 posted on 05/17/2009 6:44:04 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What a rich irony that it has become so blatant . . .

But who is making it blatant? Certainly not those having the procedure. The irony is that the hysterics are decrying the practice and then innocently pointing to the uproar they've created as if they are uninvolved bystanders.

22 posted on 05/17/2009 6:46:36 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Thorin
"Amazingly, he (Fr. Jenkins) praised Obama’s supposed courage in coming to a place that showered him with applause, that vigorously arrested all pro-life demonstrators coming onto campus, and that provided him with a photo opportunity more effective than millions of dollars spent on campaign ads in demonstrating to Catholics that they need not worry about a candidate’s support for abortion in deciding how to vote"

Makes one wonder which side is Father Jenkins on.

23 posted on 05/17/2009 6:47:20 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Balding_Eagle
We won.

Just what, exactly, did "we" win?

24 posted on 05/17/2009 6:47:49 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: sionnsar
I am Roman Catholic.

What we heard at my church today was sadness and anger because Notre Dame was honoring him.

He'd never have spoken at my church either.

Shame on Fr. Jenkins and shame on Notre Dame.

25 posted on 05/17/2009 6:48:24 PM PDT by lsucat
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To: Clint Williams

How very respectful you are.


26 posted on 05/17/2009 6:48:35 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso

My 1 cm. violin utters the most poignant sobs at this plight of the evil.


27 posted on 05/17/2009 6:48:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“the idiots on TV preaching that we must pry “religion” out of our stands concerning abortion.”

This may be happening. 51% in the gallup poll now consider themselves pro-life. I’ve discussed abortion with non-religious people who have said things like how medical advances since Roe v. Wade have made late term abortion murder. Another said that the Roe v. Wade ruling reflected the selfish attitudes of the “me” generation—putting ones self-interest above the life of the unborn child. So even if people cannot/will not be convinced on religious grounds, I think there is Hope for Change....Politicians will always follow the will of the majority.


28 posted on 05/17/2009 6:49:17 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: cmj328

It’s an easily deflated talking point of its own, though. Barack Obama put up his best and it was lame, lame, lame.


29 posted on 05/17/2009 6:50:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Can that be translated into plain English?


30 posted on 05/17/2009 6:52:43 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Balding_Eagle
We won.

All those parents and students clapping for Obama. Talk of finding common ground and discussing abortion with open hearts and open minds. Only 25-30 students choosing to attend the alternative graduation program. I don't feel like the anti-abortion message prevailed.

Evil triumphed and I am saddened by the events at Notre Dame.

31 posted on 05/17/2009 6:53:00 PM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: Misterioso

This is God’s wish for all Christian congregations.


32 posted on 05/17/2009 6:53:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Clint Williams

You wrote:

“The lack of discernment of the church that once could sell indulgences for its own profit is revealed once again.”

The Church NEVER SOLD INDULGENCES. Some people violated canon law and did so, but the Church never did.

“To the Roman Catholics on this board — I beg you, PLEASE take back your church and reunite it with the Bride of Christ!”

We ARE the Bride of Christ and our Church belongs to Christ. We can’t take it “back” from Him and we have no desire to do so. I am not stupid enough to confuse a university with the Church. I suggest you try to learn to distinguish between the two.


33 posted on 05/17/2009 6:53:41 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; LibreOuMort
. The train wreck in the Episcopal/Anglican hierarchy, alas, is obvious (no dis to you personally intended).

Thank you. The trainwreck should be obvious to all (though we Continuing Anglicans continue to welcome not just "survivors" but converts), but it dismays me to see those who don't take the lesson from the Episcopal church.

And I'm not certain that all the other churches under attack, including the American Romans, are sufficiently educated and prepared for what they are facing. Among other things it will invoke current American law in a way few if any of us are prepared to counter.

IMHO

34 posted on 05/17/2009 6:54:06 PM PDT by sionnsar ((Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ

What a pied piper the zero is.


35 posted on 05/17/2009 6:54:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Thorin

My heart truly breaks for all Catholics who are true to their faith, and for Christians everywhere. It is a blow to us all and an insult. Dialogue, indeed.


36 posted on 05/17/2009 6:54:50 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ

“Ye shall know them by their fruit.” I am quite sure that many of the graduates of Notre Dame are not even Catholic and many are probably even worse, Catholic “in name only.” God knows HIS sheep and they hear HIS voice. This thing has illuminated for us who the pretenders are. Take note.


37 posted on 05/17/2009 6:56:50 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Yes it did. And millions more were murdered under Stalin. I am always in awe that Christ still chose to step down from the perfection of Heaven and come to this lowly place. Thankfully for us HE did.


38 posted on 05/17/2009 6:58:23 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: vladimir998

By whatever theology this point is debated and discussed, it is obvious that individuals calling themselves Christian can be out of favor with the Lord and that such can hold an unseemly sway in local, if not also global, affairs. Whatever the “Church” is, it is hard to say that such goats count in it.


39 posted on 05/17/2009 6:58:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Six million Jews were put in gas chambers as the world watched. History is repeating itself, IMO.

HOLOCAUST = A NAZI'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE

40 posted on 05/17/2009 7:00:21 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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