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The 'war on drugs' is over (How about the war on guns?)
LA Times ^ | May 16, 2009 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 05/16/2009 12:39:37 PM PDT by neverdem

The Obama administration is moving toward demilitarizing a health problem.

The Obama administration is saying all the right things about the jumble of ineffective and vindictive laws, policies and practices that have made up this nation's so-called war on drugs. Shortly after he was confirmed, Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that he would halt Drug Enforcement Administration raids on medical marijuana dispensaries. Then the Justice Department urged Congress to eliminate the 100-to-1 sentencing disparity in convictions for dealing crack and powder cocaine, which imposed long prison terms on predominantly black defendants.

The most recent reassurance comes from the new drug czar, R. Gil Kerlikowske. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal this week, Kerlikowske said it's time to retire the phrase "war on drugs." Good. It's as misguided as the policies it frames. "Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' ... people see a war as a war on them," he said. "We're not at war with people in this country." These sensible pronouncements inspire hope that the administration is moving toward a more rational approach to drugs. There is much to do...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; kerlikowske; wod
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1 posted on 05/16/2009 12:39:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Regardless of how you try to explain to people it's a 'war on drugs' ... people see a war as a war on them," he said."

"People" see clearly.
2 posted on 05/16/2009 12:42:24 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: neverdem

If this is true, I’ll give the stopped clock one of his two chances to be not just right at the moment, but very much dead on. More power to him, in this particular case. (And I do hope all the newly unemployed DEA chaps can go find productive jobs.)


3 posted on 05/16/2009 12:48:18 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: traviskicks

Unfortunately, the WOD IS a war on everybody. We’ve all lost rights due to the war on druggies.


4 posted on 05/16/2009 12:50:48 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: neverdem

How dare cops arrest blacks for dealing coke, just because blacks are the biggests sellers.


5 posted on 05/16/2009 12:51:40 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: neverdem

Democrats cut and run and liberaltarians cheer!


6 posted on 05/16/2009 12:54:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: traviskicks

the jumble of ineffective and vindictive laws, policies and practices that have made up this nation’s so-called war on drugs.

Vindictive laws?? (disposed or inclined to revenge)
revenge for what? The drug is illegal. People die as a result of it use, similiaar to that of use of alcohol which we also have laws covering..
Since when is protecting our citizens considered inclined to revenge?


7 posted on 05/16/2009 12:57:34 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: umgud

WOG = Take away your guns, WOF = Lose of all freedom and have to live under their rules till we are no longer needed or use too many resources to their liking then they will terminate us.


8 posted on 05/16/2009 12:58:01 PM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotle)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How long are we going to let this ass destroy our country?


9 posted on 05/16/2009 12:58:35 PM PDT by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: neverdem

Anybody want to place odds on whether or not they’re going to retire the “asset forfeiture” laws that came about due to the WOD?

Somehow, I doubt it...

Mark


10 posted on 05/16/2009 1:00:24 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Edizzl79
Make no mistake, the RATS are at war with the people of the USA. Enslaving the minds and bodies of the US population to heavily armed invading foreign drug cartels is all part of the plan.
11 posted on 05/16/2009 1:02:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: neverdem

Druggies are more likely to be dependent upon government.

Libtards think that is a good thing in that it gives them more power.

I say, drug test all welfare recipients; remove the children from homes where drugs are used.


12 posted on 05/16/2009 1:05:20 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: neverdem
It's a health issue not a criminal one. I live in upstate NY, politics dictated the Rockefeller Drug laws which are insane.
If you got caught with cocaine, it was 20 to life, but if you raped a child, 18 months in jail or if you killed someone you could be out in 7 years!?
The penalties for nonviolent crimes were inconsistent and out of proportion to the violent ones. Don't make laws that can't be enforced and also let's also examine these drugs as a potential tax revenue source, like alcohol and tobacco, to fund rehab programs. Self funding.
13 posted on 05/16/2009 1:05:26 PM PDT by voveo
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To: Oldpuppymax
How dare cops arrest blacks for dealing coke, just because blacks are the biggests sellers.

Try reading it again... It's a sentencing disparity, not arrests. The problem is that sentencing for the sale of crack cocaine is (according to the article, which I dispute) 100 times more severe than for the sale of an equal amount of powder cocaine. So, for example, if you were convicted for the sale of 1 gram of powder cocaine, you might receive a 6 month sentence. However, if you were convicted of a sale of 1 gram of crack, you would be sentenced to 50 yeard (this is why I dispute the numbers, however I believe that there IS a federal sentencing guideline where the sentence for crack is far more severe than for powder.)

And of course, "they" had to make it a racial issue, since we know that only black people use crack, while white people only use powder cocaine, right? /sarc

Mark

14 posted on 05/16/2009 1:07:25 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: PLMerite

Liberals just want their cut of the dope-pushing business. They want to nationalize it just like every other business. They want the government to get your kids hooked on drugs and then sell them into prostitution, which they also want to legalize and tax.


15 posted on 05/16/2009 1:11:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: umgud

We have lost more rights in the war on alcohol than we have in the war on drugs.

In the never-ending war on alcohol...

...we can be stopped at any time and asked for our papers.
...we can be forced to take a breathalyzer even if it incriminates us.
...we are forced to abide by a blood-alcohol limit set with no medical explanation.
...we are forced to nursemaid friends at a party who drink for fear of lawsuits.
...we are forced to buy our alcohol from state-run stores (Pennsylvania).

The list goes on and on......


16 posted on 05/16/2009 1:23:05 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: MarkL
The problem is that sentencing for the sale of crack cocaine is (according to the article, which I dispute) 100 times more severe than for the sale of an equal amount of powder cocaine. So, for example, if you were convicted for the sale of 1 gram of powder cocaine, you might receive a 6 month sentence. However, if you were convicted of a sale of 1 gram of crack, you would be sentenced to 50 yeard (this is why I dispute the numbers, however I believe that there IS a federal sentencing guideline where the sentence for crack is far more severe than for powder.)

Actually it does not work quite that way. The disparity is that 500 grams of powdered cocaine would result in the same penalty as 5 grams of crack cocaine. Since 90% of the people that use crack are black, and 90% of the people that used powdered are white, they claim a disparity. It was originally done this way because some claimed people using crack were more of a danger than people using powdered.
17 posted on 05/16/2009 1:32:48 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Edizzl79
How long are we going to let this ass destroy our country?

Everyone I know is asking the same question. I suspect you will know the answer much sooner that you think.

My nextdoor neighbor has already been asked to inform on people who do not support the Magic Negro.

18 posted on 05/16/2009 1:35:51 PM PDT by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"...we can be stopped at any time and asked for our papers..."

Not "any time", and I don't have a problem wrt DUI/license.

Like everything else, lawyers have a traffic-stop scheme to beat this should you be stopped.

19 posted on 05/16/2009 1:36:29 PM PDT by Does so (One Big Assed Mistake, America)
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To: Does so
Not "any time", and I don't have a problem wrt DUI/license.

Police can setup a checkpoint anywhere they want and ask you for your registration and insurance.

Sorry, unless you subscribe to the liberal view that freedom of movement is a privilege, you cannot agree with DUI checkpoints.

20 posted on 05/16/2009 1:52:46 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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