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List Says Top Democrats Were Briefed on Interrogations; Appers Nancy Pelosi Lied
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/us/politics/09detain.html ^ | 5/14/09 | nytimes

Posted on 05/14/2009 9:41:20 AM PDT by wrrock

It appears to call into question the longstanding assertion of Speaker Nancy Pelosi that she was never told that waterboarding and other methods were actually used, only that the Central Intelligence Agency believed they were legal and could be used.

The chart said that at the first briefing, on Sept. 4, 2002, Ms. Pelosi, then the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and Representative Porter J. Goss, the committee’s Republican chairman, were given a “description” of the interrogation methods that “had been employed” against a prisoner, Abu Zubaydah.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; ciainterrogation; ciainterrogationmemo; congress; corruption; democratcongress; democrats; dhimmicrats; pelosi; torture; urlisnotthesource; waterboarding
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To: wrrock

Obama wants someone else in charge now that he has the 60...Nancy...exit stage left.


21 posted on 05/14/2009 9:52:52 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: Pete
Who has something to gain by her departure?

Obama himself. And, of course, Steny Hoyer -- but he doesn't have the clout with the Times to get a hit piece published.

Obama is taking her down because Pelosi fancied herself a separate power center. And there is also likely some bad blood between Rahm Emanuel and Miss Nancy.

Recall that Nancy put Rahm in charge of leading the Democrats to victory in the 2006 Congressional elections. He was successful and, as a result, Nancy got the Speakership.

But can you imagine what it would be like to work under Pelosi, at her direction? And how much thanks do you suppose he got for getting her where she is.

Yeah, I can believe there might be a grudge...

22 posted on 05/14/2009 9:53:38 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Pete

Everyone.


23 posted on 05/14/2009 9:54:38 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: roaddog727
The NYT is reporting this!

The orders have obviously come down from Obama and the DNC for their propaganda outlets to begin easing Giant Humanoid Embarassment Pelosi out of office.

24 posted on 05/14/2009 9:56:44 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Chains you can believe in.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“The orders have obviously come down from Obama and the DNC for their propaganda outlets to begin easing Giant Humanoid Embarassment Pelosi out of office.”

No doubt.


25 posted on 05/14/2009 9:58:05 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: roaddog727

and hell must’ve froze over LOL


26 posted on 05/14/2009 9:58:30 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: FormerACLUmember; Centurion2000

Luckilly, in good foresight, I stocked up on ammo well befor the mad craze. However, you can NEVER have enough ammo and magazines.


27 posted on 05/14/2009 9:59:42 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: roaddog727

Putting it on their web site doesn’t mean they’ll print in their paper, but allows them to say they “reported” it.


28 posted on 05/14/2009 10:02:52 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Pete

Steny Hoyer, in collaboration with Rahm, at least according to Rush.


29 posted on 05/14/2009 10:04:38 AM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Lets consider this...both Reid and Pelosi have no real relationship with Obama. I think both run their own games in their respective areas. I would suggest that Obama needs Pelosi out and get one of his big supporters into the position. The leaks? They are all intentional. The question here...who is the Pelosi replacement, and is this health-plan now tied to a sinking Pelosi empire so it will naturally fail? I think this is all part of the same game.


30 posted on 05/14/2009 10:12:08 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: SoDak

Well, Nancy can always go back to her former vocation, that of Catholic Theologian. Things haven’t changed much since the 60’s right?


31 posted on 05/14/2009 10:14:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: wrrock

I’m so glad Obama decided to open this can of worms.


32 posted on 05/14/2009 10:17:20 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: keats5

Of course we believe Panetta rather than the contemporaneous notes of the CIA officers.

NOT


33 posted on 05/14/2009 10:26:12 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: misterrob

Yes. I would not want to mess with the CIA. Strange things can happen to you.


34 posted on 05/14/2009 10:32:14 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: pepsionice

I suspect you are right.....Obama wants a black woman? or a gay man? mmm.....decisions, decisions.


35 posted on 05/14/2009 10:34:59 AM PDT by tioga
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To: wrrock
While the new chart shows 40 Congressional interrogation briefings, the details raise questions about the effectiveness of oversight. The legal memorandums released last month showed that Abu Zubaydah had been waterboarded 83 times in August 2002, so any objection from Ms. Pelosi at the first Congressional briefing, on Sept. 4, would have come too late to prevent the use of a method considered by many legal scholars and human rights advocates to be torture.

It's an interesting spin on "she had been told that it was already being used." Of course she couldn't have prevented it from being used on that particular individual. That's entirely irrelevant. She was told it had been. And it's beginnning to look like quite a few people were. They're starting to cast this as "failure of oversight," but it was no such thing, it's second-guessing a perfectly effective oversight. That's a little less morally high-sounding and so you won't hear it until there's no other choice.

36 posted on 05/14/2009 10:41:15 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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LOL. Now that is a responsive governmental agency...


37 posted on 05/14/2009 10:54:47 AM PDT by eureka! (Elections have consequences, boy howdy. *sigh*)
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To: roaddog727

This entire story must be from Prez Obey-me to replace Pelosi with “his” guy and the NYT are simply assisting our marxist prez.


38 posted on 05/14/2009 10:56:56 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: wrrock

“Holy crap! The NYT is reporting this!”

The Times wants Pelosi gone so 0bama can have someone more in line with his ideals.


39 posted on 05/14/2009 11:53:45 AM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: roaddog727; pissant; Perdogg; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; ...
Nancy is in serious trouble.....

Related thread:

Pelosi in public dispute with CIA over interrogation

NY Times airing the Truth?

40 posted on 05/14/2009 1:55:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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