Posted on 05/12/2009 11:09:18 AM PDT by presidio9
In an action that spoke far louder than words, Pope Benedict yesterday walked out of an interfaith meeting in Jerusalem after the chief Islamic judge of the Palestinian Authority launched into an anti-Israeli diatribe.
The pontiff, on his first day in Jerusalem, did not realize at first that Sheikh Taysir al-Tamimi, speaking in Arabic, was condemning the "crimes of the Jewish state" and accusing Israel of having "slaughtered women, children and senior citizens."
But as soon as he was told the nature of the sheikh's tirade, he stood and left the meeting, which took place at Notre Dame church, before it had concluded.
It's not as if the organizers shouldn't have seen this coming: Back in 2000, Tamimi did the same thing during a visit by the late Pope John Paul II.
A spokesman for the Holy See later condemned the remarks, saying that
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You don't get to decide what I said and didn't say. I never said the Holy Spirit is the Catholic Church, liar.
Not fantastic at all. You spit on the Church founded by Christ, so why should your version not differ drastically from that of his Church?
"You don't get to decide what I said and didn't say. I never said the Holy Spirit is the Catholic Church,"liar pete.
Describe:
To convey an idea or impression of; characterize:-Webster's
Yes, when you said the Holy Spirit "will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you" you are describing the Catholic Church. All that teaching and reminding? The Holy Spirit works these teachings and remindings through the Catholic Church, just as Christ promised.
No, Pete. I am a member in good standing in Christ's church! I do disparage the lies of the Roman Catholic religion,and expose them with the Word of God. It is not up to me to make you accept it. But, I am bound to preach the WHOLE WORD of God.
Your organization tells you to believe them, not your eyes...
Galatians 6: 12Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh. 14May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which[b] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation. 16Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God.
Not in full communion, though if you have been baptized in the Trinitarian formula, you certainly are part of His Church.
The Roman Catholic Church, based in the Vatican, which sits in the middle of Rome, from whence your "priest" was ordained, is teaching lies and error from the pulpit! They define Scripture, and you accept it because they told you not to question their authority.
Hmmmm. That sounds familiar. We are seeing it repeated in this country with Obama. Billions apparently worship him, too!
I've got a bridge I want to sell you! You sound like a good prospect.
My testimony is the same Paul puts forth here... please read it, though it's only Paul writing...
2 Corinthians 5: 11Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience. 12We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart. 13If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Good thing I never claimed such.
The Catholic Church, based in the Vatican, which sits in the middle of Rome, from whence your "priest" was ordained, is teaching lies and error from the pulpit!
So YOU claim. However disagreement with your own personal interpretation of Scripture does not a lie make.
They define Scripture...
Yes, quite well. Just as the Holy Spirit ordains it.
If that were so, you would be Catholic.
You are making crude lies and innuendos against brother Christians, because we refuse to bow to the tyranny of your RELIGION.
Sorry, Pete. Jesus tells us to remain in Him, not some earthly society with lots of graven images and gold! Then and ONLY THEN will He remain in us...
John 15: "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
John 16: 2"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
That is a distinction without a difference, boy. Look to the Church for the teachings of the Holy Spirit.
I know now the Ten Commandments mean nothing to you.
...because we refuse to bow to the tyranny of your RELIGION.
There is no tyranny in the Catholic Church, and there is no need to shout the word religion. I prefer my religion to your religion any day of the week. No contest.
And He is the leader of the Catholic Church.
And He is the leader of the Catholic Church.
I did not dispute that Jesus is head of the church? The church is universally the body of Christ. It comes in lots of flavors besides Latin.
My dispute is with the organization you guys promote, and the desire to make people conform to the dictates of your regime. They change the rules as the world changes. God never changes.
I belong to Christ's church, pete. There are no idols to see, nor gold to flaunt. Our gold goes out the door as soon as it comes in. Jesus told us that is the way to do it!
Maybe you will learn to know Him as I do... through His Holy Spirit, not your beloved church. I have a better chance with Him. You're too judgmental.
John 8: 34Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."
***...you post snippets of Paul and I post the Gospel which contradicts your interpretation of what Paul says.
...Jesus teaches us that He created a Church for us to instruct us and guide us and He proscribes us from private interpretation. We are to go to the Church, not to concoct private theologies. Can you prove your statement here from the Gospels?
I have already proven it several times over.***
You have not proven it. You do not post the words of Jesus.
***You have rejected what I posted and what Paul has to say about it.I have included plenty of quotes from the “Gospels”, but they don’t help your case.***
The “Gospels”? Lord help us all. You don’t post from the Gospels as a matter of course. You post misinterpretations of Paul and call that the Gospel. The record is clear.
***Now, I will repeat this for your edification...
John 14: 23Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
25”All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
He is risen!
I don’t mind repeating it!***
The teaching of Jesus includes the authority of the Church that He created to teach, instruct and admonish. If you reject that, you reject His teachings. Therefore, I would say that your heart ought to be troubled. The rejection of Jesus and His gifts does not bode well for those who would seek eternal salvation.
***Prove this accusation right now.
Yeah, sure, right.
LOL***
I think that we are dealing with someone who is experiencing an alternative reality. Luckily, we are on the fourth generation of psychotropic drugs.
***Nice to see that you post these excerpts out of context, as you do Scripture in order to support the rather fantastic theology that you are peddling.
Yes, my vision of God differs a great deal from your version. I am sure it seems fantastic to you. ***
I don’t have a personally generated vision of God. I prefer the Scriptural one. Personally generated visions of God range from the insane (Herbert Armstrong) to the insane (Joseph Smith) to the insane (Aimee Semple Mcpherson) to the insane (Charles Fox Parham) to the insane (Rex Humbard) to the insane (Oral Roberts). The Church’s vision of God is most accurate.
***John 14: 15”If you love me, you will obey what I command.***
Since you do not recognize His Church, I would conclude that you do not love Him.
***I am a member in good standing in Christ’s church!***
Your posts indicate otherwise.
***But, I am bound to preach the WHOLE WORD of God.***
You are very unfamiliar with the words of Jesus. How can you preach the whole word of God if that is so?
***I did not dispute that Jesus is head of the church***
Untrue. You consider a misrepresentation of Paul as the head of your church.
***The church is universally the body of Christ. It comes in lots of flavors besides Latin.***
Sure, Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc. It does not include the organizations that include such as Aimee Semple McPherson.
***I belong to Christ’s church, pete.***
Who is this pete character you keep talking to? At any rate, if you do not believe in the entire Nicene Creed, you are not Christian.
***I have a better chance with Him.***
Wow, what confidence. Origen was one who thought that he knew better than the Church. Christ is the Judge, and He has given us the rules and the reasons why. This sounds very Pharasaical and full of hubris. God does not kowtow to any man. Luke 18:
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He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.
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“Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.
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The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity—greedy, dishonest, adulterous—or even like this tax collector.
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I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’
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But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
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I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Exalt yourself all you want. The fall of the mighty is the greatest of all. How righteous do you think you are?
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