For Conservatives who seriously want to kick some RINO butt...

5/10/09 | Ron C

[Man50D]

The moderates have their wing but they’ve gone by the wayside.

Oh really? Tell that to the OP national leadership. They have ensured Conservative principles have gone by the wayside.

Do we have moderates at the national level? Yes. Do they have power? Yes.

That couldn't be more of an understatement. They control the OP otherwise you and other OP members would not have to keep posting at a Conservative website trying to convince Conservatives to support the OP! Moderate is euphemistic spin for socialist.

As far as what I see at FR is a great number of whiners and naysayers and far fewer of the doers.

Hey, that's a great recruitment slogan to woo over Conservatives to your side! It's also another indication of deep denial by OP members your party is becoming more irrelevant to Conservatives because they realize beating your Republican head against the growing socialist wall is doing or accomplishing nothing.

Keyboard activism. Useless. Utterly useless.

Then why do you keep posting to this thread and website? Obviously you believe it's only keyboard activism if someone has a dissenting viewpoint but your views are more cogent and therefore above your so called keyboard activism. It wrongly presumes anyone who opposes to your OP baloney is not active beyond FR even though you don't know the person to whom you are responding. It further belittles FR as if communicating via this website to share ideas and further the cause of Conservatism is a useless and irrelevant tool. Spoken like a true big tent Republican.

You want to get things done you need a vehicle that’s a part of the process, and that process is getting people elected.

If the people you are referring to are similar to the OP socialist elitists you elected in the past then it's time for you and other OP members to drive that vehicle to the scrap heap. A new process is emerging and it's saying time to create a new vehicle with strong conservative principles and no more OP. You can keep on anointing yourselves the great and powerful OZ but more Conservative are seeing what's behind the curtain.

I don’t care what vehicle you choose, but choose a vehicle.

Conservatives have been telling you repeatedly the vehicle they are going to drive but you refuse to accept taking a ride because of your delusion some how you're going to suddenly oust the socialist leaders in the OP.

[Man50D]

If conservatives run and win enough primaries, they inherit the GOP and its organization and ballot position. If conservatives cannot win inside the GOP, they will not find easier going outside of it.

The last thing Conservatives want is to inherit a party that has continually refused to accept Conservative principles for many years. Conservative are moving beyond the OP precisely because they haven't won in the OP for years. Rejoining an increasingly socialist party is hardly winning.

[EternalVigilance]

Ridiculous.

[EternalVigilance]

I did not ignore your point. I responded to it.

Actually, you didn't.

Let's try this another way:

What are your non-negotiables? Can you briefly tell us what it is that would disqualify any candidate for party or public office from ever gaining your support?

[Munz]

SCREAM it and keep doing so until they listen.
They are starting to I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYN1vbMH1rA&feature=player_embedded

The republican party is up in arms trying to figure out what to do. They need to hear us loud and clear till 2010 and after letting them know that the people who may vote for them are hard core conservative, not leaning liberal.

We need to take back the party. Splitting our votes among third party people will not help us at all. We are divided that way.

[gwjack]

Ron —

Thanks for posting this. It is very interesting, and reminds me of the late Abe Lemmons (NCAA Basketball Coach). During a game once his team was getting the raw end of all the calls. Abe called a timeout and inquired of the lead ref, “Can you give me a technical foul for what I am thinking?” After reflecting a moment, the ref said, “No, Abe. I can’t give you a T for what your are thinking.” Abe then said, “Well, I am thinking that you are the lousiest ref ever to call a game and I think that you are borderline cheating!” He added a few uglies and naughties. Abe got a technical.

Gwjack

[EveningStar]

So, lump all the RINO’s you can think of that currently serve in state and national government together, and add up the figure. Lets say you know a lot of RINO’s in Congress, and in State legislatures – and you can come up with as many as 100 of them. That would be .19% of total GOP membership – hardly representative of the huge majority at the local level, most of them quite conservative.

Source?

[Paige]

I want to thank you for your post. WE can take back the GOP, but some have to be willing to work in their areas.

In my ever so humble opinion, people are guilty of looking at the overall big picture and do not understand the importance of the grassroots movement. The people’s district is how we take back the HOUSE, from there go state wide and take back the Senate. Hopefully, people will begin to realize this is district by district - state by state. Because this is doable.

Thanks again!

[Rockingham]

The Republican party is not “socialist.” Indeed, it is the political home of most conservatives in the country and is rapidly repudiating the errors of the Bush years.

[Rockingham]

Disloyalty to the GOP party, grave character defects, or not being a conservative, broadly defined.

[EternalVigilance]

Party first, huh.

Not a single actual concrete principle to be found in your reply.

Pretty typical of where the GOP is at, and why it’s headed for the ash heap.

[EternalVigilance]

is rapidly repudiating the errors of the Bush years.

Laughable.

[Rockingham]

Wait and see.

[Rockingham]

Of necessity, political parties are expedient at the margins. I would grudgingly accept a moderate as a Republican senator as the difference between GOP control or Democratic control.

[EternalVigilance]

The country doesn’t have that long. Waiting until next season to see if Lucy will pull the ball away again, in spite of her reassuring words, is not an option.

Lucy doesn’t get to play on our team any more.

But, if you insist on being a blockhead Charlie Brown, no one can stop you.

[EternalVigilance]

They’re all moderates. Not a pair in the whole bunch put together.

[BlueDragon]

I find it interesting that you wrote;

How would you know about America’s politics, since you know so little about its language.

...leaving out the necessary question mark... you know, the one particular punctuation mark that typically is placed at the end of an interrogatory?

Where you trying to give us a clue as toward how much you yourself know about American politics?

Perhaps not, but it did give me a smile, and I'm not even officially part of the grammar police patrol (though I do volunteer as a spelling enforcement officer, being as 'ol computer does all the work, enabling me to reap all that free glory with little or no effort).

On the other hand, Party politics as you put it, are indeed "part of the problem". Or, perhaps another, equally valid way to put it would be, intra-party politics, are part of the overall challenge.

It appears to me that Ron C.'s here stated opinions drove right at how he himself thinks one can address the challenge, thus work towards solving the problem.

You may disagree with him, but look for a moment if you will, at the other large political party.
What has happened there, over the last few generations, but what looks like a total take-over from within, by the likes of Alinsky acolytes such as Hillary Clinton and the teleprompter guy?

Meanwhile, guys like Ayers are still hovering, hanging back near the shadows, while continuing to push their agendas with some effectiveness, even getting away with it to a degree --- and not being visibly seen by the majority of the public as being the communist tools which they are?

On the contrary, their communist manifesto-like ideas, after much work, much polishing (including copious amounts of liberally applied misrepresentation) has actually SOLD, been bought by a great many in this nation as being normal, healthy, political thought and opinion.

It's dirty, but it's working for them. Guys like Ayers have openly admitted that they realized they had to work "from within". Or have you not heard of what they themselves referred to as "the long march through the Nation's institutions"?

One may go another way, and try to work from the outside---in. But please, when it comes to Ron C. or others encouraging others to get involved in local Republican organizations or the like, I implore you and others here to not crap in the face of those whom see their own calling as being one in which they must give much of themselves, in the hopes of working peacefully, lawfully, from within.

Both efforts, both from within, and from without, can be complimentary to one another. It would do us all well to remember this, and if we bite (and backbite) one another, see to that we do not entirely devour one another.

[Rockingham]

Get real. The House has 31 GOP members with 100 per cent American Conservative Union ratings for 2008, and the Senate has 1 GOP member with a 100 rating and two more with 96 per cent ratings. Most of these GOP Congressmen are notorious for being the no compromises type, God bless ‘em.

Take a look for yourself: http://www.acuratings.org/

[EternalVigilance]

ACU ratings are a joke. Sucker bait. Coordinated political cover for incumbent Republicans.

But, in any case, you just pulled a bait and switch. You said Senator, not House members.

[Man50D]

The Republican party is not “socialist.”

Your leader have supported or do support amnesty for illegals, The law of the sea treaty that will cede at elast some of our national sovereignty over to the one world order UN, the socialist bailout plans just to name a few major issues. All are the same positions taken by the socialist Democrats.

Indeed, it is the political home of most conservatives in the country and is rapidly repudiating the errors of the Bush years.

You have a very loose definition of Conservative. Rapidly repudiating? Are you rapidly repudiating the socialist bailout plan by merely saying it's wrong? Big deal! Why didn't you move to stop the incremental socialism years ago?