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To: Scanian

Ask these question: 1- What measurable result has torture produced? 2- What does one become when one denigrates the person, identity or physical body another human being? 3- At one point in the heart does the honorable restraining of the enemy become the wicked intent to mayhem, butchery and malice, i.e. bloodlust? And, finally, 4- what effect does this have on the innocent? The strongest people in history; Christ, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and their followers, have already proven to the world, that standing faithfully, righteously, openhanded and courageous in one’s higher individual integrity is much greater than submitting to the lower instincts of fear.


9 posted on 05/09/2009 6:56:01 AM PDT by JTWildfeather (Russia, China, Military, Arms, Race, Oil)
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To: JTWildfeather

Positions like yours are DANGEROUSLY naive. Not just naive. DANGEROUSLY naive, as you would let innocents die horrible deaths rather then cause physical pain to evil people. Actually let me go further, your position isn’t just naive, its immoral.


10 posted on 05/09/2009 7:06:27 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: JTWildfeather
1- What measurable result has torture produced

The use of the word "torture" is tendentious, but to address your question: Obama's own Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, in his letter released April 16, said that valuable information had indeed been secured through the enhanced interrogation techniques in question. Somehow the MSM failed to notice this detail however.

What does one become when one denigrates the person, identity or physical body another human being?

What do you think becomes of a person who does violence to another? Have you ever heard of postcombat PTSD? It's a nasty world and the men who look out for the rest of us pay a heavy price. The alternative is slavery and death for everyone.

At one point in the heart does the honorable restraining of the enemy become the wicked intent to mayhem...It happens, just as it happens on the battlefield and the excesses of the occasional rogue cop on the street. It's a fallen world and people are subject to passions they ought not indulge. It's called the human condition. But the alternative is to be sheep led to the slaughter.

Christ, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and their followers, have already proven to the world, that standing faithfully,...etc.

I'm no Bible scholar but I don't recall Christ ever leading resistance against the Roman centurions for their conduct in oppressing their subjects. He had bigger issues in mind. The others faced opposition that was downright humane, divided within itself and even halfhearted, compared to what we face in the Islamofascist threat.

Back to the top-- Can we handle the truth?

12 posted on 05/09/2009 7:23:30 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: JTWildfeather
Christ, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and their followers, have already proven to the world, that standing faithfully, righteously, openhanded and courageous in one’s higher individual integrity is much greater than submitting to the lower instincts of fear.

These Arab butchers would saw off their heads, film them, and put them on display on the internet.

1. Christ was crucified for his deeds.
2. MLK was shot dead in Memphis for his deeds.
3. Ghandi (were he an American) would be jailed today as a child molester for his relationship with an adolescent child.

Nope, we should never "turn the other cheek" on terrorists.

We should hunt them down, capture or kill them all. Those captured should be tortured til they squeal like little pigs. Once all that can be gained from their torture is complete, then they should be castrated spot on eliminating any risk they could pro-create. Then they should be prosecuted and judged. Once judged and proven guilty, escorted immediately from the court room, to be hanged by a rope from the gallows.

Any questions?

13 posted on 05/09/2009 7:49:21 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: JTWildfeather

The philosophy of any of those three would have resulted in our country being overrun by Nazis in the 40’s or Commies in the 50’s and would have us living under Sharia now.

Thanks but no thanks. I’ve beat my plowshare into a sword.


15 posted on 05/09/2009 8:12:56 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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