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Intent to Open Carry in Milwaukee (The Jesus Gonzalez story)
Opencarry.org ^ | 20 March, 2009 | Jesus Gonzolez

Posted on 05/05/2009 3:40:36 PM PDT by marktwain

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Jesus Gonzalez has filed a civil rights lawsuit in Wisconsin after being arrested a *second time* for no crime but exercising his constitutional (both state and federal) rights the keep and bear arms. This is his account of what happened the first time, and the aftermath. The account was published on opencarry.org, and there is a great deal more information there, for those who are interested.
1 posted on 05/05/2009 3:40:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I misspelled Jesus’ name in the author slot. The correct spellig is Gonzalez.
2 posted on 05/05/2009 3:44:53 PM PDT by marktwain
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What an outstanding and courageous individual. Hats off! Salute!


3 posted on 05/05/2009 3:49:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Jesus Gonzalez has filed a civil rights lawsuit

I've been following this case since it started, Kudos to Mr. Gonzales for standing up for his rights... We've had a few similar incidents in our state and there are currently a couple of federal civil rights lawsuits against a couple of different departments and the offending LEOs.

After the incidents, I bought a level two holster and started carrying open a few times a week. I urge anyone that can open carry to do so, the only way to battle the years of anti-gun hysteria is to make it common again for people to open carry.

Check your state and local laws and then exercise your rights.

4 posted on 05/05/2009 4:03:34 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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Check your state and local laws and then exercise your rights.

If they're rights, why do I have to check the local laws ?

5 posted on 05/05/2009 4:19:54 PM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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If they're rights, why do I have to check the local laws ?

You might be living in one of those commie states... ;-)

But that would be the point of my post, some citizens (including LEO) don't recognize it as a right, that is why I started Open Carry myself. I've only had a hand full people comment on my displayed weapon, most comments were very positive.

6 posted on 05/05/2009 4:29:56 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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Did the police read Gonzalez his Miranda Rights when they arrested him? If not, he can sue for false arrest or a similar charge.

He can also ask the Internal Affairs Dept. to investigate misconduct by the officers from assault, to illegal search of his car, threatening him, disorderly conduct, etc.

Believe me, I’ve done this and buttfu*cked a bunch of bad cops.

You see, an IA complain has to be investigated and the complaint remains in an officer’s personnel file, permanently, so if there are additional complaints by other individuals at different times, they become grounds for a full scale IA investigation and hearing, often leading to dismissal.

Fight fire with fire

PS: I’ve got an AA Certificate (similar to a degree) in Police Science and learned about IA from one of my local PD’s members. He didn’t like bad cops either.


7 posted on 05/05/2009 4:30:50 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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If you are interested in this case, here is a link to the lawsuit that was filed:

http://www.georgiacarry.com/gonzalez_westmin/complaint.pdf


8 posted on 05/05/2009 4:58:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: AvOrdVet
I urge anyone that can open carry to do so, the only way to battle the years of anti-gun hysteria is to make it common again for people to open carry. Check your state and local laws and then exercise your rights.

Commendable practice, and very good advice. I'd add that one should always tote a recording device and know by heart the contact number of an attorney who is familiar with these issues and more or less "on call."

9 posted on 05/05/2009 5:03:02 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Lady Liberty has become Kitty Genovese.)
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I just read the filed case on the link I posted on the last post. It is simple, short, and straight to the point. Very nice.


10 posted on 05/05/2009 5:03:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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Commendable practice, and very good advice. I'd add that one should always tote a recording device and know by heart the contact number of an attorney who is familiar with these issues and more or less "on call."

Good points, I've though of some of the same items, my phone has a recorder both sound and video, Our State 2A Group always steps in with counsel recommendations if needed. its pitiful those options are even needed...

But the more of us that get out there "in the open" the more comfortable fellow citizens will get. Because with the way the battle has firmed up, I think we are reaching a tipping point... the only way we can go is a full blown push forward in 2A Rights, to retreat at this point while facing a hard core anti-2A government licking their chops for an all out Gun Ban.. We WILL be surrendering our rights to the federal government.

11 posted on 05/05/2009 5:25:04 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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Here’s my question for Mr Gonzalez. Why the hell are you still living in Milwaukee? I left 15 years ago and couldn’t be happier. What do you think it will get better there?


12 posted on 05/05/2009 5:26:04 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: AvOrdVet

should be... “I’ve thought”


13 posted on 05/05/2009 5:26:08 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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Here’s my question for Mr Gonzalez. Why the hell are you still living in Milwaukee? I left 15 years ago and couldn’t be happier. What do you think it will get better there?

Instead of fleeing, Mr. Gonzalez has clearly chosen to stay and fight. His courageous actions have precipitated significant progress in making Milwaukee and all of Wisconsin a better place to live. Every Wisconsin resident, regardless of whether he or she chooses to carry a firearm openly or even own a firearm, owns a debt of gratitude to Mr. Gonzalez for expanding the legal recognition of all of our rights.

14 posted on 05/05/2009 5:39:50 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Last Dakotan
Why the hell are you still living in Milwaukee?

We need men who will stand up and be counted. Some won't turn tail.

15 posted on 05/05/2009 7:44:55 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Somali want a cracker?)
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To: marktwain

Bookmarked.


16 posted on 05/05/2009 9:01:32 PM PDT by Monitor ((This tagline is intentionally left blank))
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We need men who will stand up and be counted. Some won't turn tail.

You think differently with a family.

17 posted on 05/06/2009 6:43:46 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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Bump To The Top

The saga continues...


18 posted on 05/11/2010 6:54:09 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/Green-Bay-man-shot-and-killed-in-Milwaukee


19 posted on 05/11/2010 6:54:50 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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If you're acquainted personally with Mr. Gonzalez you may want to make him aware that he may have an action available to him under 18USC242.

Google it up and hand him a copy.

Good luck.

20 posted on 05/11/2010 6:58:17 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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