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To: kevinm13

Look Kevin, your desires sound reasoned on the face of it, but here is why you are wrong.

I was never a huge fan of GHW Bush. I supported him in 1988 because I saw him as a man that would be most likely to continue on the Reagan years. To a certain degree he did, but he drifted. His later comments on the new world order made me realize this guy’s world view was diametrically opposed to my own.

Then we had George W. Bush. I used to say I liked the guy. Today I will say that I don’t hate him. I have severe problems with all too much of how he led this nation. I hate what he ushered in. The guy drifted. He was on point on some things, but he was worse than his father. I’m not going to bother about what I liked or didn’t about him right now, there is honestly some of each. Still, what good he did was by in large scared by what he other things he did or didn’t do.

Now we’ve slipped so far over the last twenty years, that our party thinks John McCain is the standard bearer of our beliefs. They also think Mitt Romney would be a great leader.

So for me this isn’t so much about the hate of Romney as it is the hate of what people like him, McCain, Snowe, Specter, Graham, and others have done to to our party.

Abortion: Well just give it lip service, that’s all they really want
Borders: Don’t be a racist, those are just poor folks trying to get by in life
Defense: These are tough times, don’t push for what we need, push for the least you think they’ll accept
Big Government: Talk a good line about smaller government, then fund the biggest government you can, green projects, global warming, it’s all good...
Security: Downsize, eliminate needed programs, reach out to the other side, give away secrets and technology through trade, and if any objects, tell them they aren’t good Capitalists
Taxes: You can get away with adjusting them, if you make it look like only the rich are going to get hit
Associations: You can reach out to anyone, Soros, Kerry, the Tides Foundation, Gun Control groups... it’s all good, you’re a king makers, a deal maker, the consummate negotiator, and nobody will notice you’re negotiating your nation away

Look, where do we draw the line? People on our side are ripping our past present and future to shreds right in front of us, and yet we’re talking about the need to win, rather than the need to focus.

As a guy who has been voting for thirty-eight years, I’m going on the record as not being willing to watch this nation go one more inch to the left in MY name. If the Democrats want to slice and dice this nation, they can do it, but I won’t be voting for them, and I won’t be voting for anyone on my side to do the same things.

Romney isn’t worthy of being hated. I agree with that. He isn’t worthy of being supported either. And I’m not sorry at all, that I do hate what he has stood for, and I don’t trust him any farther than any other leftist I won’t vote for.

I’m looking for a Palin or Jindal type, someone who actually knows what Conservatism is, has governed as a Conservative, and plans on moving up the food chain as a Conservative.

All other need not apply. Don’t even submit an application.

I may be out of touch with what this nation is turning into, and if so my opinion won’t count for anything anyway. So just dismiss my thoughts here if you think you need a good middle of the road moderate, that will give you 70% of what Obama will.

I’m more than happy to disassociate myself with that effort. And there’s your problem isn’t it. If you don’t want Conservatives, then there’s no need for the Republican party. And bud, true Conservatives have gone as far left as they are every going to go, on their dime.

If you want to support leftists, there’s a party out there with open arms thrilled to have you. If you want to support Conservatives and the Republican party, then you’re in the right place already.

If leftist want Europe they should move there. If U.S. Citizens want leftist policy, they should join the Democrat party. Don’t sign on to changing our nation and our party. Just move right on down the road to where they share your views, be that here or there.


1,326 posted on 05/05/2009 3:31:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: All

Please see 1326.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2243314/posts?page=1326#1326


1,327 posted on 05/05/2009 3:32:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I may be out of touch with what this nation is turning into”

I seem to be, too.

Very good post.


1,328 posted on 05/05/2009 3:49:52 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: DoughtyOne

excellent post.


1,364 posted on 05/05/2009 6:31:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: DoughtyOne

Great reply:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2243314/posts?page=1326#1326


1,371 posted on 05/05/2009 7:14:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Selah)
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To: DoughtyOne

I am in line with you. I want a conservative like Jindal, like Palin, conservatives who support life, support our country, support our borders, support smaller government over bigger government which ultimately should lead to lower taxes and less government in my life on a day to day basis.

My comment originally was meant to provoke some discussion about the “hatred” and venom and those are strong words, for Mitt Romney. I never said I supported him, I wanted to know why so many Freepers have such feelings for somebody who is more like them than 90% of Congress. I don’t agree with all his positions but he should be allowed to be part of the party and we should continue to fight him on life, security and taxes including healthcare if he isn’t providing a conservative position. Disagree with him and be vocal about it. But, Please don’t be so hateful as nobody is deserving of that.

I have similar views to you on President George HW Bush. Jack Kemp might have been a better choice as successor to Ronald Reagan. We will never know. John McCain was selected by liberals from out of state in the primaries in NH and Iowa because they were open. I supported him after he became the candidate opposing 0bama. In the last days, his message didn’t come through clearly and there was voter fraud that gave 0bama as much as 3 million votes (could be much more with Acorn being extremely well financed). The GOP needs to close its primaries and let the process work properly with citizens of the state and the party voting. Nobody else.

Remember that the GOP got just uncer 50% of the general vote in the election of 2008. In 2004, the GOP won the White House, the Senate, and a majority in Congress. We as conservatives have allowed the media to define our ultimate demise that is not going to happen. We need to define our positions, not as the party of “NO” but how we are different from the liberals currently driving the bus off the cliff. Leaders in the Senate, in Congress and among State legislators need to be vocal and clearly oppose the lies 0bama continues to spout.

More Americans identify themselves as conservatives than liberal. Lets not forget that and keep fighting the good fight without tearing people apart. As much as I hate what 0bama is doing to our country, I don’t hate the man. He is virtually 100% wrong on everything he is doing but I don’t hate him. Lets not be hateful in our disagreement with anybody, but thoughtful and vocal with the truth.


1,386 posted on 05/06/2009 7:08:09 AM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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