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NY Times OP-ED: Cheney for President
NY Times ^ | April 27, 2009 | By ROSS DOUTHAT

Posted on 04/27/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Watching Dick Cheney defend the Bush administration’s interrogation policies, it’s been hard to escape the impression that both the Republican Party and the country would be better off today if Cheney, rather than John McCain, had been a candidate for president in 2008.

Certainly Cheney himself seems to feel that way. Last week’s Sean Hannity interview, all anti-Obama jabs and roundhouses, was the latest installment in the vice president’s unexpected – and, to Republican politicians, distinctly unwelcome – transformation from election-season wallflower into high-profile spokesman for the conservative opposition. George W. Bush seems happy to be back in civilian life, but Cheney has taken the fight to the Obama White House like a man who wouldn’t have minded campaigning for a third Bush-Cheney term.

Imagine for a moment that he’d had that chance. Imagine that he’d damned the poll numbers, broken his oft-repeated pledge that he had no presidential ambitions of his own, and shouldered his way into the race. Imagine that Republican primary voters, more favorably disposed than most Americans to Cheney and the administration he served, had rewarded him with the nomination.

At the very least, a Cheney-Obama contest would have clarified conservatism’s present political predicament. In the wake of two straight drubbings at the polls, much of the American right has comforted itself with the idea that conservatives lost the country primarily because the Bush-era Republican Party spent too much money on social programs. And John McCain’s defeat has been taken as the vindication of this premise.

We tried running the maverick reformer, the argument goes, and look what it got us. What Americans want is real conservatism, not some crypto-liberal imitation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bigtime; cheney; rossdouthat
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1 posted on 04/27/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No wonder the NYT chose this squish as the second token conservative.


2 posted on 04/27/2009 5:04:20 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Candidate Cheney is not a winning recipe, but I damn sure wish he was president!
3 posted on 04/27/2009 5:04:27 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

I do think he would have won in WY, but I don’t know about elsewhere.


4 posted on 04/27/2009 5:05:47 PM PDT by Theodore R. (GWB is gone: Now the American sheeple can sleep at night!)
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To: Theodore R.

He would have won Oklahoma, no question about it.


5 posted on 04/27/2009 5:07:37 PM PDT by jeepers creepers
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Cheney has taken the fight to the Obama White House like a man who wouldn’t have minded campaigning for a third Bush-Cheney term.

Actually, it would've been a third Rove-Cheney term wouldn't it?

6 posted on 04/27/2009 5:07:59 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I wouldn't doubt that he could be elected if there was another very big terrorist attack in the United States. Even people who support the Democrats know they are weak on defense, especially compared to people like Cheney. As soon as their is another big terrorist attack in the U.S. the Democrats will be kicked out of office.
7 posted on 04/27/2009 5:08:23 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Obama is a fraud and is ineligible for the Presidency!)
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To: americanophile

Me too! After a few more months of these clowns, maybe even liberals will see the light.


8 posted on 04/27/2009 5:09:07 PM PDT by trustandobey
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I think it says volumns about America when we would elect a neophyte with almost no experience. But a man who has served his country in various capacities since the Gerry Ford presidency, but he was discounted because he was GW’s VP? The man has more brains in his little finger than Biden has in his whole brain.
Too bad the media created Bush derangement syndrome is as bad as it is. The saddest part of the ideal it is likely to be the death of the Republic.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 5:12:01 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
We are all familiar with the logical fallacies associated with argument by analogy but this author is arguing by fantasy.


10 posted on 04/27/2009 5:13:15 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I'm confused

This is in the NYT.

Was there a shift in the time continuum ???

11 posted on 04/27/2009 5:13:45 PM PDT by Popman (Only one question remains: Does the sun rise because of Obama or does Obama rise because of the sun)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I will buy the last edition of the New York Times.

It’ll be the first and only copy I ever purchase.


12 posted on 04/27/2009 5:14:36 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Imagine for a moment that the New York Times and anything said on its editorial pages was actually relevant......


13 posted on 04/27/2009 5:16:40 PM PDT by Radix (We seek Liberty......They give us Debt.)
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To: Popman

You have to read to the end to get to the predictable punchline. If Cheney had run, he would have been crushed and the Republican party could drop this damned true conservatism and become the Democrat-lite that everyone wants.

I think Cheney would have sliced Obama to shreds in the debates. A Cheney/Palin team would have been pretty awesome. He probably would have lost, but Republicans would certainly feel better about the effort.


14 posted on 04/27/2009 5:16:54 PM PDT by tstarr
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To: Popman

The author wishes Cheney had run so that “when he went down to a landslide loss, the conservative movement might – might! – have been jolted into the kind of rethinking that’s necessary if it hopes to regain power.”


15 posted on 04/27/2009 5:17:44 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The writer is basically an idiot. His underlying assumption is that if Cheney had run (and lost) it would have proved that conservatives can’t win elections.

Cheney would have lost because of his baggage, not because of his conservative principles, and this writer is an idiot not to be able to see that.


16 posted on 04/27/2009 5:19:00 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: tstarr

Thanks for the jolt back to reality, I never click on the link for the slimes.


17 posted on 04/27/2009 5:20:37 PM PDT by Popman (Only one question remains: Does the sun rise because of Obama or does Obama rise because of the sun)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I wonder if this guy got his pink slip 5 mins. after this printed.
18 posted on 04/27/2009 5:20:40 PM PDT by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“Real conservatism,” in this narrative, means a particular strain of right-wingery: a conservatism of supply-side economics and stress positions, uninterested in social policy and dismissive of libertarian qualms about the national-security state. And Dick Cheney happens to be its diamond-hard distillation. The former vice-president kept his distance from the Bush administration’s attempts at domestic reform, and he had little time for the idealistic, religiously infused side of his boss’s policy agenda. He was for tax cuts at home and pre-emptive warfare overseas; anything else he seemed to disdain as sentimentalism.

"Stress positions"?

Actually, do we really know what Cheney's economic views were? It didn't seem like tax cuts -- or spending cuts or anything else domestic -- were really a high priority for him.

It looks to me like what Douthat is saying is that if Cheney had run, the notion of "real conservatism" as something that hadn't been tried wouldn't be viable any more. But Cheney would have lost by more than McCain did -- which I guess is what Douthat would have wanted.

19 posted on 04/27/2009 5:21:58 PM PDT by x
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To: tstarr
I think Cheney would have sliced Obama to shreds in the debates. A Cheney/Palin team would have been pretty awesome. He probably would have lost, but Republicans would certainly feel better about the effort.

Those who were left, sure.

20 posted on 04/27/2009 5:23:07 PM PDT by x
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