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Obama wants to end 23-year-old Michigan vs Jackson(defendants right to lawyer before questioning)
Hot Air ^ | 25 APR 2009 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 04/25/2009 1:04:36 PM PDT by Bush Revolution

The Obama administration has argued for the end of the Michigan v Jackson ruling that requires police to provide an attorney for a suspect once one has been requested. They argue that the benefits are “meagre,” as the Telegraph puts it:

The effort to sweep aside the 23-year-old Michigan vs Jackson ruling is one of several moves by the new government to have dismayed civil rights groups. …

The Michigan vs Jackson ruling in 1986 established that, if a defendants have a lawyer or have asked for one to be present, police may not interview them until the lawyer is present.

Any such questioning cannot be used in court even if the suspect agrees to waive his right to a lawyer because he would have made that decision without legal counsel, said the Supreme Court.

However, in a current case that seeks to change the law, the US Justice Department argues that the existing rule is unnecessary and outdated.

The sixth amendment of the US constitution protects the right of criminal suspects to be “represented by counsel”, but the Obama regime argues that this merely means to “protect the adversary process” in a criminal trial.

The Justice Department, in a brief signed by Elena Kagan, the solicitor general, said the 1986 decision “serves no real purpose” and offers only “meagre benefits”.

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To: Bush Revolution
“serves no real purpose”

Just like the Democrat Party. Democrats exist only to suck the blood from living organisms.

21 posted on 04/25/2009 1:24:11 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: scratcher

A commie wants to make everything communal, if it kills you.

A liberal civil rights stance is not a stopping place, but a stepping stone, to a communist. Once it ceases to be useful to creating the commune, he will gladly cast it away.


22 posted on 04/25/2009 1:24:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Bush Revolution

She and Napolitano, a match made in Heaven. Together, 450+ lbs. of fun in the off hours.


23 posted on 04/25/2009 1:25:47 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What if Bush did it?

My guess is that many BushBots would be praising Bush if he were to of done the same thing.

However, I don't care who does it, all I know is that it is an attempt to slash and burn the Constitution.

24 posted on 04/25/2009 1:27:05 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well said.


25 posted on 04/25/2009 1:27:38 PM PDT by scratcher
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To: Bush Revolution

He wants no witnesses to the interrogation torture, I suppose.


26 posted on 04/25/2009 1:27:59 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Bush Revolution
The effort to sweep aside the 23-year-old Michigan vs Jackson ruling is one of several moves by the new government to have dismayed civil rights groups.

Not to worry, the "civil rights" leadership will be humping Obama's legs (again) by the end of the week

27 posted on 04/25/2009 1:29:10 PM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Is he looking to overturn Miranda too?

It appears so.

My wife was trying to tell me something about this, and I told her she was getting something confused... guess I owe her an apology ... what is the story?

28 posted on 04/25/2009 1:29:20 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: popdonnelly
This makes absolutely no sense at all. I’m no ACLU type, but the right to counsel is in the Constitution for good reason.

This ruling does not denie the right to council.

The ruling is, if a defendants have a lawyer or have asked for one to be present, the police may not interview them until the lawyer is present, even if the suspect agrees to waive his right to a lawyer.

29 posted on 04/25/2009 1:29:42 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Bush Revolution
“The Obama administration has argued for the end of the Michigan v Jackson ruling that requires police to provide an attorney for a suspect once one has been requested. They argue that the benefits are “meagre,” as the Telegraph puts it:”

OK, Hypothetical...

Joe blow gets pulled over for 37 in a 35 mph zone.

Joe has had a couple beers but did nothing wrong except 2mph over the limit.

Barney Fife smells the beer and makes poor Joe blow in his machine.

Barney know that the state county makes a bundle off DUI arrests.

Joe is arrested, but demands an attorney before he does anything more.

Barney's road-side breath sniffer isn't accurate enough to stand up in court, and without Joe's attorney present they can't force him to blow in the calibrated legal machine at the police station.

2 hours later a lawyer shows up at the jail and Joe blows .03.

Perfectly legal in every state...Joe walks free.

Tell me again how this is trivial and no big deal to Joe?

30 posted on 04/25/2009 1:30:21 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: rrrod
not a peep from RATS on this because all registerd Democrats love State power. They will cheer at mobs publically lynching any free thinkers.

Actually, there is quite a group of both liberals and conservatives supporting the reversal of this conviction and for affirming the Michigan v. Jackson; including a number of former federal prosecutors and judges' and Former FBI director William Sessions. On the libersl side, ther ia th ACLU and public defenders associations, etc.

While I don't agree with the ACLU on most issues, they get a lot right when it comes to defending unjustly prosecuted/convicted defendants.

31 posted on 04/25/2009 1:31:23 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: bill1952
I do know he does one thing and then says another constantly. I'm wondering how he is going to explain this one away. That he's being pro-police (maybe for the future civilian security force) and anti-criminal(yes it's a stretch). What are we going to look like in a year? It's only been 100 days and he's shown the terrorists our methods, taken over most of the financial system and spent us into what will probably be a depression.

“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”
Thomas Jefferson

32 posted on 04/25/2009 1:31:52 PM PDT by Bush Revolution (I'm surprised at how surprised I am of the continuous media love fest...for the O)
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To: trumandogz

“My guess is that many BushBots would be praising Bush if he were to of done the same thing.”

Idiotic and irrelavant comment, President Bush did not, Obama did.


33 posted on 04/25/2009 1:32:09 PM PDT by scratcher
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To: Bush Revolution

Surprise, surprise, surprise - Obama isn’t really black at heart after all.

Lookin’ more and more each day as if he is just the Saul Alinksy commie and Bill Davis acolyte which those Republican Reptiles said he was.


34 posted on 04/25/2009 1:35:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Bush Revolution

Here is the petition for cert with the USSC.

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/07-08/07-1529_Petitioner.pdf

This guy was railroaded, but if the CIA treated a terrorist in this manner, he’d lose his job and may get prosecuted.


35 posted on 04/25/2009 1:35:56 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Bush Revolution
Let's see....black urban policemen, black urban DAs, black falsely accused 'perpetrators'........not a problem here -- they won't be charged. On the other hand, white urban 'suspect', black urban policement, black DAs......."cracker don't need no mouthpiece"......

Try that here where I live Obama.

36 posted on 04/25/2009 1:37:48 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: All

I think people need to read up on this case before freaking out. The administration is right on this and the Bush administration would’ve supported the same stance. Overruling Jackson will not take away the right to counsel.


37 posted on 04/25/2009 1:38:13 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

thanks


38 posted on 04/25/2009 1:38:53 PM PDT by Bush Revolution (I'm surprised at how surprised I am of the continuous media love fest...for the O)
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To: Snickering Hound
NT
MINE




39 posted on 04/25/2009 1:40:12 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)(o)
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To: Doe Eyes

Thank god someone gets it. Overruling Jackson will not take away the right to counsel and it will not impact reading of Miranda rights. (I’m surprised at how many FReepers seem to defend Miranda. It’s holding that defendants must be read their rights is nowhere to be found in the Constitution.)


40 posted on 04/25/2009 1:43:24 PM PDT by NinoFan
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