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To: TurtleUp

No..., what I suggest is that we support the Lakotah in *actually accomplishing* their secession from the United States, in order to have a “framework” for doing the same thing with any other state that wants to do it.

I say to support the Lakotah for a couple of reasons. One is that they have a very good case of “one nation to another nation” — as they were a fully sovereign nation to begin with, and the Unites States recognize that *in writing* and it’s “on the record” as such.

Secondly, they have “been at it” for a long while now and have not been able to “accomplish it”. So I say that FReepers should help them *actually accomplish it* — since they are so far along in the process, and then we’ll have “legitimate framework” to use as that precedent for our states to leave the U.S.

So, how can we start helping the Lakotah *actually leave* the U.S. and have an actual and functioning nation totally separate from the U.S.?


137 posted on 04/22/2009 9:21:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

“So, how can we start helping the Lakotah *actually leave* the U.S. and have an actual and functioning nation totally separate from the U.S.?”

Will they still want USA government handouts? Or do they really want to be independent?


140 posted on 04/22/2009 9:25:55 AM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Star Traveler
So, how can we start helping the Lakotah *actually leave* the U.S. and have an actual and functioning nation totally separate from the U.S.?

Frankly, the United States face a far graver danger, to our nation as a whole and perhaps to many of those individual citizens who value freedom, than the issues facing the Lakotah. Free people don't need the precedent, nor is it relevant. I believe the federal government should do the right thing with the Lakotah, although I don't have time to figure out what that right thing is. I am far more concerned that freedom must survive the dangers of the next 4-8 years under a neo-socialist.

Can Texas secede? Of course, if the people of Texas so choose, and they don't need a precedent to do so. The Constitution gives them that power. Can the federal government stop that secession? Not under the law, but perhaps by force of arms ... perhaps not. We don't know how much practical authority Obama would actually have if he ordered his soldiers to attack the peaceful, law-abiding civilians in Texas, Idaho, Utah, or another state. I am not pleased by much that involves Obama, but I am pleased at the thought of him worrying over whether our soldiers would follow an unlawful order.

145 posted on 04/22/2009 9:31:20 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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