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Victor Davis Hanson: Obamatopia
pajamasmedia.com ^ | April 18, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/20/2009 5:15:14 AM PDT by Tolik

One wonders whether President Obama, for all the soaring rhetoric, grasps why certain nations really do hate us. Does he think a Grozny, Darfur, Rwanda, Serbia, or Tibet happen in reaction to US global sinful conduct? Does he appreciate why hot spots like Cyprus, Taiwan, or Georgia, do not boil over—or under what conditions they might? Does he really believe that in the pre-Bush era we all got long (cf. his al-Arabiya interview); then Bush’s strutting, unilateralism, and preemption, presto, caused anti-Americanism?

Take Iran. It wants to be the preeminent regional power in the Middle East, and win for the Persian Shiites the mantle of Islamic frontline leadership in the long war to destroy Israel. That requires oil revenue, sponsorship of terror, and nuclear weaponry.

Despite Bill Clinton’s past ramblings, it is not democratic; instead, prescreened, preapproved candidates are confirmed by plebiscites, and civil liberties are nonexistent as we know them. The history of Khomeinism is one of executing thousands of Shah-supporters, sending tens of thousands to their deaths in mass wave attacks in Iraq, and using surrogate Hezbollah and Shiite operatives to blow up Americans from Lebanon to Iraq. In other words, a democratic internationalist America stands in the way of their megalomaniac aspirations.

After the Carter humiliations, the Reagan disaster with Iran-Contra, the Clinton feeble attempts at appeasement, Americans gave up on the Khomeinists, and more or less hoped to distinguish the Iranian people from their theocracy, talk up democratic change, and contain the mullahs’ terrorist aspirations. We can do this adroitly or clumsily, but existential differences will remain nonetheless—until a change in ideology on their or our part. Either they reenter the family of nations, or we redefine the family of nations to include thugocracies.

And now? What is there to negotiate over? How soon they can have the bomb? Triangulation with them over Israel? Promises to quit sending shaped charges into Iraq to kill more Americans?

Why does Hugo Chavez hate us? Is it because Bush’s ‘dead or alive’ed him or ‘with us or against us”ed him? Hardly. Chavez wants to end democracy in Venezuela for good, turn it into a Cuba-like communist dictatorship, use his oil revenues to whip up liberationist, anti-Yanqui feelings throughout South America, and end up with himself as some sort of messianic caudillo of the entire socialist continent. Sound crazy?

No more crazy than the daily Chavez communiqués. Again, by good or bad diplomacy we can soothe or excite him–but otherwise his aims are antithetical to the notion of democratic, capitalist states, with close ties to the North American democracies.

We can ditto all this with North Korea, Cuba, Russia, Syria, etc. So far all the Obama apologies for the sins of his own country (note always before he came on the scene), the serial “Bush did it” invective, the promises of a brave new Obama transnational world, the evocation of his middle name, and non-traditional lineage, and shared demagoguery against “them” (Wall Street, the greedy, the unpatriotic who make over the mythical trip wire $250,000), have not, and will not, change much abroad. Has Cuba promised to release prisoners, or apologized for all those killed? Has Chavez vowed to restore constitutional governance and quit subversion of his neighbors?

Elsewhere did the “their old America did it, not my new one” Obama approach win his country anything? Russians helping out to prevent a nuclear Iran, or stopping the killing of dissidents abroad, or promises not to bully the former Soviet republics? More European combat units going to Afghanistan? Mexico vowing to curb illegal immigration? Turkey ceasing its new anti-Western Islamic screeds?

His supporters would rejoin, “Oh, but give him time. He’s sowing the field with good will for a bountiful harvest of future cooperation”. I do think he’s sowing, but a minefield rather than a crop, whose explosions will be as inevitable as they will be numerous. Sarkozy’s crude dismissal and appraisal of Obama (nothing is worse for a liberal administration than to have their idolized French brethren bite their extended limp hands) are the templates of things to come.

My only confusion is over motive. Does Obama do this for

(a) domestic political purposes: trashing Bush abroad*, coupled with fawning foreign crowds and photo-ops, reminds Americans that someone made them liked abroad after someone else did not?

(b) Is it more personal, as in messianic: he sees himself as a sort of Mandela/Gandhi figure, post-national, post-patriotic, post-American in whom the souls of 6 billion are invested for ‘hope and change’?

(c) Is there a touch of Democratic savvy as well—the more these “breakthroughs” are associated with Obama, the more Hillary seems sidelined, and / or forced to implement his lead? Compared to the high Rice profile, her stature seems more and more dwarfish.

(d) Does he really believe in conflict resolution theory that postulates escalating disagreements arise from miscommunication and misunderstanding rather than far more often an aggressive party sensing that its putative opponent cannot or will not impede it—in other words faith in the UN rather than age-old balance of power, deterrence, and ‘quiet but carry a big stick’ preparedness?

(e) Does Obama, whether being nourished on the mother milk of Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, etc, or from his university training and Chicago organizing, really see the U.S. as historically a uniquely oppressive society in terms of race, class, and gender, and hence perhaps have empathy for a Castro or Chavez, at least more than he does for Americans of the sort who go to tea parties and listen to Fox News?

I’ll let readers decide, but so far his rhetoric has been harsher to those on Wall Street, his opponents in Congress, those who make over $250,000, and those who criticize him than it has to those who clearly don’t like us abroad.

And the result will be soon, as Sarkozy presciently saw, a general sizing up of the Obama two-step. They will either believe that we are weak, and cannot stand in the way of their illiberal agendas, or believe that Obama is somewhat sympathetic to their anti-capitalist, anti-democratic scenarios, or believe that he is a true multiculturalist who believes in the “Post-American world”.

* Cf. the latest same old/same old (From the CNN story of the President’s Trip to Latin America):

(A) “Obama sought to distance his administration from that of his predecessor, noting that he plans to close the detention center at Guantanamo, where “some of the practices of enhanced interrogation techniques, I think, ran counter to American values and American traditions.”

With the inevitable (B):

“But he did not dwell on his predecessor’s legacy. “I’m a strong believer that it is important to look forward and not backward …”


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: appeasement; europe; iran; latinamerica; obama; obamatopia; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 04/20/2009 5:15:14 AM PDT by Tolik
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:
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Victor Davis Hanson: Our New Sort of War. It might be the most dangerous of all
Victor Davis Hanson: President of the World ...deeply pessimistic view of what America was and is
The Politics Of Blame
Victor Davis Hanson: The Postnational, Postmodern, Post-everything Presidential Trip
Victor Davis Hanson: President Obama’s First 70 Days. It really does all make sense
Victor Davis Hanson: G-20 Outtakes. Europe Got Obama, Now What? Obama is moving to the left of Europe
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part Three of Three [The Good]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part Two of Three [The Ugly]
Victor Davis Hanson: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly —Part One of Three
Victor Davis Hanson: American Mob Rule. We need a Socrates in Washington right now
Victor Davis Hanson: Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Victor Davis Hanson: Bush Did It. What a difference an election makes [Brilliant Parody]
Victor Davis Hanson: Dr. Obama: First, Do No Harm. Let nature do its work
Victor Davis Hanson: Our Battered American [gets angrier - Must Read Rant]

2 posted on 04/20/2009 5:16:10 AM PDT by Tolik
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3 posted on 04/20/2009 5:17:58 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
"Does he really believe that in the pre-Bush era we all got long (cf. his al-Arabiya interview); then Bush’s strutting, unilateralism, and preemption, presto, caused anti-Americanism?"

No, but he does know that he can feed that lie now existing in the majority of the world....including here at home.

4 posted on 04/20/2009 5:20:32 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tolik

"Is it more personal, as in messianic: he sees himself as a sort of Mandela/Gandhi figure, post-national, post-patriotic, post-American in whom the souls of 6 billion are invested for ‘hope and change’?"

Yes. The global messiah thing with aspirations for the UN, essentially a Third World anti-colonialist leader of a secular Liberation theology movement based on class conflict and race.

5 posted on 04/20/2009 5:23:40 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Tolik
I'll go with (b) and (e). Mostly (b). I believe he sees himself as a messianic savior of the down trodden that have been living under the foot of the "evil" capitalists.

When he spoke at Georgetown and had all references of Jesus Christ covered up before hand was telling.

He didn't want the competition.

6 posted on 04/20/2009 5:51:47 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: Tolik

I vote for (e).

Obama’s orientation is basically antithetical to traditional American values. He envies the power and control of Chavez, Castro, Kim Il Jung, etc.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 6:12:13 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: maica

maica: “He envies the power and control of Chavez, Castro, Kim Il Jung, etc.”

Not so sure that’s the case. I’d guess his real goal isn’t power so much as pursuit of a socialist ideology. Power is only a necessary means to an end. He only wants to help us (and if that thought doesn’t send shivers down your spine, nothing will). He’s a true believer IMHO.


8 posted on 04/20/2009 6:23:30 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: maica

I think he is still trying to purge himself of his mother’s white blood by attacking America. Ever since I read his book, I’ve thought he was the most psychologically screwed up person ever nominated by a major party.

He apologizes everywhere for anything because he needs to rid himself of his screwed up Mom - and he associates America with her.


9 posted on 04/20/2009 6:40:32 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: CitizenUSA

He only wants to help us...

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I have never seen evidence that he has feelings for anyone, nevermind the great unwashed. He can act warmly with his wife and children, but his core is cold as ice.

Where are his lifelong friends standing beside him in his new position? Where are the testimonies of what a great guy he is from people other than ACORN agents?

His narcissism is pathological, but apparently not a handicap to reaching the Oval Office, given the total denial of the press corps


10 posted on 04/20/2009 7:01:23 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Mr Rogers

He learned his anti-American values from his mother.


11 posted on 04/20/2009 7:02:52 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: maica

I agree. However, I think he also hates his mother, and is trying desperately to disassociate himself from her - and he does that by being anti-white & anti-American.

I think she taught him to hate the white, capitalistic world, without realizing that she was white - no matter how long she lived in Indonesia. I think he came to hate her, his grandparents, and anything associated with them.

And that includes America.


12 posted on 04/20/2009 7:11:26 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: Tolik
(f) Putting America down raises his own stature in the world. Obama is not a leader. He is a campaigner. He's still on the campaign trail, positioning himself to be head of a global government.
13 posted on 04/20/2009 7:15:45 AM PDT by ryan71 (Time to buy guns and ammo, People.)
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To: Tolik

“e) Does Obama, whether being nourished on the mother milk of Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, etc, or from his university training and Chicago organizing, really see the U.S. as historically a uniquely oppressive society in terms of race, class, and gender, and hence perhaps have empathy for a Castro or Chavez, at least more than he does for Americans of the sort who go to tea parties and listen to Fox News?”


Bingo!


14 posted on 04/20/2009 8:07:08 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Tolik

thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 04/20/2009 8:48:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (If Obama had been king of England, the Globe wouldn't have covered the American Revolution-Graham)
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One Tour Too Many   [Victor Davis Hanson]

I don’t know whether this was the intent or not, but Obama’s weird trip to Latin America — characterized by constant anti-American outbursts from heads of state eager to blame their own failures on Yankee's — probably killed any notion that any sane American would support either further free-trade agreements or "comprehensive immigration reform" with a continent that seems to blame all of its self-inflicted troubles on what the United States supposedly did last century.

What is strange about the now well-known Obama three-step visits (apologize, then trash Bush, then nod that America was bad before he came along), is that they seem to incite more anti-American choruses rather than fewer, incur more bad will than good, and end with not a single accomplishment, much less concession. (Ortega et al, as the bullies they are, seemed madder at Obama that he was letting up on Cuba than they were with Bush, who wouldn't). Does Obama think that the American people really want to hear their country ritually trashed from those anti-democrats — who are, at the same time, jostling to keep our borders open to ensure more dollar remittances and more sanctuary for their own fleeing citizens?

These Victory Column-like foreign campaign stops are now getting stale, and at some point I think Emanuel and Axelrod will see that these magical mystery tours have the potential, in their scripted regularity, to really turn off the American people — and convince bad players abroad that it is about time to test the waters.

04/20 11:54 AM

16 posted on 04/20/2009 9:12:09 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

(Ortega et al, as the bullies they are, seemed madder at Obama that he was letting up on Cuba than they were with Bush, who wouldn’t).

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All any observer needs to do is compare the reaction of Code Pinko leftists and the Democratic Socialist Congressional Caucus to Obama’s ACTIONS, with how the bullies south of us also react to him. The similarities are glaringly obvious, - except to our ‘national’ news media.

They can NEVER be satisfied. Every concession brings on more demands for concessions. Forever!!!


17 posted on 04/20/2009 12:03:19 PM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I don't know how Obama sees himself, but I see him as a product of the elite Ivy league. I believe that this naive example of their universities will lower the world’s respect for their graduates.
18 posted on 04/20/2009 1:32:48 PM PDT by oldbrowser (This is not an administration, it's a crime syndicate.)
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To: oldbrowser
The Fabian Socialism, Gramsciian rollover, multiculturalism, Cultural Marxism, and liberal junk thought found there. His comments about "bitter" losers in small towns "clinging to guns and religion" was like something right out of Prof. Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in Liberal Politics, a slander and dismissal of conservative attitudes.
19 posted on 04/20/2009 1:41:40 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: oldbrowser
It's The Paranoid Style in American Politics. Sorry. Typo. Obama's team seems to be following that along with Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. They are very transparent in their tactics.
20 posted on 04/20/2009 1:43:53 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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