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1 posted on 04/18/2009 2:54:42 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian
...I saw dozens of rail cars sitting idle.
What a waste of good corn liquor, which is basically what was being produced.

The Ethanol Fallacy: Op-Ed
So why not build corn liquor stills on an industrial scale and use the output to power our cars and trucks?
That’s exactly what this country has been doing for the past several years. Some 134 ethanol plants are now in operation, consuming close to 1.6 billion bushels of grain, about 15 percent of our total corn production.

2 posted on 04/18/2009 3:03:36 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Scanian; philman_36

The entire ethanol debacle is a great case example to illustrate the folly of government intervention in the free markets.


3 posted on 04/18/2009 3:19:45 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Scanian; philman_36
From the article: could process 39 million bushels of corn and produce 110 million gallons of ethanol annually.

And from philman_36's post:

...consuming close to 1.6 billion bushels of grain, about 15 percent of our total corn production.

An a little math by theymakemesick:

If 39 million bushels of corn produces 110 million gallons of ethanol annually,then 110,000,000 / 42 = 2,649,047 barrels annually. We consume about 20,000,000 barrels of petroleum per day in the USA. That plant produces about 13% of what we use in one day. 1.6 billion bushels total / 39 million bushels = 41. 41 X .13 = 5. So, we consume 15% of our annual corn production to offset 5 days worth of our petroleum consumption. This does not include the petroleum required to farm, fertilize, water or transort the corn. Great use of natrual resorces, not.

5 posted on 04/18/2009 3:26:25 AM PDT by theymakemesick (You may be a terrorist if you went to church last Sunday or think "shall not be infringed" means it)
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To: Scanian

If ethanol was so great it would require no subsidies of any sort, just like with gasoline.


14 posted on 04/18/2009 4:02:48 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Scanian

And the Ethanol scam is a drop in the bucket compared to the man made global warming scam. The loss of wealth is going to be staggering.


16 posted on 04/18/2009 4:12:43 AM PDT by DB
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To: Scanian
Rush always says, "follow the money" Click for more information...
17 posted on 04/18/2009 4:18:06 AM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist.- Arth. C. Clarke's shortest story)
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ping


21 posted on 04/18/2009 4:50:53 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Scanian
"Even if we plowed under all other crops and dedicated the country's 300 million acres of cropland to ethanol, we would displace just 15% of our oil demand with biofuels."

No problem. Simply pass a law mandating 300 mpg automobiles,200 mpg semi-trucks, and R-1000 insulation in all homes, and all will be well.

23 posted on 04/18/2009 4:59:10 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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This whole thing was a typical liberal proposition and a scam from day one.

The envirowhackos loved it because no matter the math, we were going to begin to get away from the hated “Big Oil”.

The farmers loved it because it was a market they could grow crops for.

The companies producing ethanol loved it because they were getting big breaks and subsidies to produce ethanol.

The politicians of all stripes loved it because they could pander to the envirowhackos, farmers, companies, Europeans and liberals with no negative effects.

The only people standing up and actually saying anything were the skinny crackpots with scraggly hair, suspenders and slide rules who actually took the time to analyze the whole thing and tried to tell the emperors they had no clothes. They were ridiculed and told to sit down.

Personally, I was too damn busy with other things to pay much attention to this issue, and remembered thinking “Hey, this is small potatoes here...even if it is wasteful, it is a piker of a program compared to other things.” Then, the next time I looked, I read about how everything from gas station pumps and tanker trucks to car engines had been involved in the process due to the destructive nature of the ethanol, and that HUGE plants with boxcars full of corn on specially built train tracks were making this stuff!

Then, I realized it was no coincidence that the price of a lot of other products such as milk, beef and cereals had been steadily rising for some time.

This whole thing was a typical liberal proposition and a scam from day one.

And it is TYPICAL of ANY government run program, replete with profligate waste, unintended consequences and unaccountable politicians. So this is what we want to do with our health care and industry?

We must put a stop to this.


24 posted on 04/18/2009 5:17:41 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Scanian
A while back I was in a place where two libs were going on about how ethanol is a great fuel, saving the earth and all that.
I told them ethanol is a horrible fuel unless you were talking about some fondue pot or a modified Bunsen burner.
After the ranting and blubbering subsided, I managed to say that at least in the case of internal combustion engines, the quality of any fuel is measured by the heat that can easily be released from a given quantity. I suggested they get a thimble of ethanol and a thimble of gasoline and stick a match to each one. Easy science project with easily noticeable results.
They were not persuaded, my argument did not fit the lib logic.
26 posted on 04/18/2009 5:28:47 AM PDT by ExSafecracker (. .CHANGE !! . . Jimmy Carter is no longer Americas worst President.)
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This op-ed is an accurate depiction of what many of us in farm country already knew. Unfortunately, it was not politically correct to say so. McCain got hurt in the Corn Belt because of his opposition to ethanol subsidies - one of the positions I agreed with. In fact, the only family I know personally that had an Obama sign in the yard feeds heavily at the government trough via farm programs, and supported Obama solely because of ethanol subsidies...

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27 posted on 04/18/2009 5:30:01 AM PDT by hoosier hick (Gotta go, millions of Obama supporters are counting on me to pay their mortgages)
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To: Scanian

So, if all the gasoline now sold contains 10% ethanol, and it does here, is the price per gallon higher or lower because of the inclusion of subsidized ethanol?


30 posted on 04/18/2009 5:42:12 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: Scanian

I have used ethanol/gasoline blends in my vehicles on and off for years. I consistently get about 10% less miles per gallon using an ethanol blend than with using straight gasoline. If the purpose of making ethanol a motor fuel additive is to reduce oil consumption how does a 10% ethanol blend that gives 10% less miles per gallon save anything?


32 posted on 04/18/2009 6:08:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: Scanian

The Feds will push the biofuel fantasy until they drive the nation into the ground.


34 posted on 04/18/2009 6:17:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: Scanian

Freepers have known this all along. Interesting that some people are waking up to reality.

Typical Democrats, symbolism over substance. Perception over reality. They don’t get it now, they won’t get it in the future. One more reason Democrats should never be elected to a political office.


35 posted on 04/18/2009 6:19:28 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Barack Hussein Obama: More corrupt than Clinton, more inept than Carter.)
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To: Scanian

LoL. Here is the cherry on top. - “A Bipartisan Group of US Senators Calls on EPA to Refrain From Including Indirect Land Use Change in Biofuel Regulations”
17 March 2009 A bipartisan group of 12 US senators led by Tom Harkin (D-IA) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has called on the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) not to include calculations of indirect land use change (ILUC) effects as contributors to life-cycle greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions for biofuels in the upcoming rulemaking for implementation of the updated Renewable Fuels Standard (RFS-2) enacted in the Energy Independence and Security Act (EISA) of 2007.

The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS-2) defined within the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 requires biofuels to meet specified life-cycle greenhouse gas emission reduction targets to qualify. The law specifies that life-cycle GHG emissions are to include “direct emissions and significant indirect emissions such as significant emissions from land use changes, as determined by the Administrator.”

Depending upon the assumptions and boundary conditions set in the ILUC evaluation, the result can dramatically increase the calculated GHG footprint of a biofuel, far offsetting the presumed greenhouse gas benefits of its use.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/03/bipartisan-group-of-us-senators-calls-on-epa-to-refrain-from-including-indirect-land-use-change-in-b.html


47 posted on 04/18/2009 10:34:39 AM PDT by anglian (0bama's Stealth Reparations: "Mouthfulls of gimme and handfulls of much obliged")
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To: Scanian
Great “earth day” story. Always nice trumping lies with truth - it costs more energy to produce ethanol than we get out of it...
76 posted on 04/22/2009 9:24:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (The treatment of POWs will get worse? So far, all returned have been beheaded/mutilated- ErnBatavia)
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