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1 posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:36 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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“The constitution does not say anything about states leaving”

The “United States”, The “States in Union”, the “firm league of friendship with each other” entered into by the several States, whatever you want to call it, predates the Constitution.

The Constitution was established for the United States to, among other things, form a more perfect union of the States.

Why should it say anything about leaving? What is its relevance to the issue?


255 posted on 04/18/2009 11:44:57 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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If the constitution is silent, then it defaults to the states’ powers, if I understand the constitution correctly at the 10th Amendment.

Obviously, that was not the position of Lincoln during the Civil War.


265 posted on 04/18/2009 12:49:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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In the end ...isn’nt that exactly WHY the concept of “united state” was created? Such that its members had final recourse in the event of impending tyranny?


271 posted on 04/18/2009 2:42:17 PM PDT by mo
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If several states declared they were over it and they were going to secede, there would be little DC could do except start kissing some major butt.


272 posted on 04/18/2009 3:03:09 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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You can do a lot when you have the means of force to make it happen.


289 posted on 04/18/2009 7:25:03 PM PDT by Red6
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The founders of the Declaration of Independence gave reasons for separation from England, and those same reasons apply to the tyranny of our federal government today. The very thing that our founding fathers feared most has come to fruition. I would encourage you to read Mark Levin’s book, especially the first couple of chapters. You can’t help but read what the founding fathers thought and wrote to see that our current federal government is worse than King George ever was.


292 posted on 04/18/2009 8:08:22 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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No! That has already been decided a long while back. Secession is nothing more than surrendering the fight and the constitution to the democrat Nazi party socialists. If you want that type of outcome move to France and become a cheese-eating surrender monkey.


344 posted on 04/19/2009 2:53:23 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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sure you can secede....but by superior force only.

i’d say the record is fairly clear on this

come down to Dixie, we still venerate our dead who tried.

looks like we may have to again..alas


347 posted on 04/19/2009 6:51:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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That was settled in 1865 with a big NOPE.

The winners were legally and morally wrong, mind you. But it was settled on the negative by main force, which, in the end, is really all that matters.


359 posted on 04/20/2009 7:59:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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Yes, the states or state can secede. In the 1860’s a bunch of states seceded from the Union. They were later forced at gun point to “rejoin” the Union, but they did in fact secede. The real question is whether or not the tyrants in Washington will declare war on their own people. If those in the armed forces will refuse to kill, wound, and destroy their fellow countrymen, there is a real chance that the secession will succeed. Obama may hesitate to fight our enemies abroad, but he will have no such qualms when it comes to killing Americans desiring liberty.
407 posted on 04/20/2009 6:39:25 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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“The BIG question lately - CAN STATES SECEDE?”

Of course they can. I think the question is, can they secede “legally?”

Ultimately, whether they can do it legally or not is really not the issue, however. The ultimate question is can the states secede morally, and of course they can. Everyone knows this is true, unless they believe the American revolution was immoral.

Hank


421 posted on 03/20/2010 5:14:03 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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