The BIG question lately - CAN STATES SECEDE?

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[RED SOUTH]

Article VII sets out the provision for original ratification, and that Article IV empowers Congress to admit new States, but that no provision of the Constitution authorizes a state to leave the Union or bars it from doing so. The constitution does not say anything about states leaving.

[FTL]

"Pick out something simple like your United States having used biological smallpox warfare on the Indians claim and put it on general chat and it will be discussed.

I never said that now, did I.

Nowhere in that line do I claim smallpox was a program by the US government since at the time there was no "US Government".

Another "nice" attempt at a canard and straw man though.

Here is what I wrote: "Deliberate small pox can be considered use of a biological WMD."

Funny how you tried to convert that statement into "United States having used biological smallpox warfare on the Indians".

How do you know I wasn't referring to the Early America, i.e. the EARLY Americans as in Brits, which is what we were, before we declared Independence?

The hostility between the British and Native Americans after the French and Indian War led to one of the first documented attempts at biological warfare in North American history.

In response to the 1763 uprising known as Pontiac's Rebellion, Amherst suggested using smallpox as a weapon for racial extermination.

In a series of letters he exchanged with his subordinate, Colonel Henry Bouquet, he proposed that Bouquet infect Native Americans with smallpox through gifts of blankets that had been exposed to the disease, and Bouquet readily agreed to comply. In fact, the commander at Fort Pitt had already attempted this very tactic. Although Amherst's name is usually connected with this incident because he was the overall commander, and because he gave the orders to Bouquet, evidence appears to indicate that the attempt was made without Amherst's prior knowledge

"At the time of the Pontiac rebellion in 1763, Sir Jeffrey Amherst, the Commander-in-Chief of the British forces in North America, wrote to Colonel Henry Bouquet: 'Could it not be contrived to send smallpox among these disaffected tribes of Indians? We must use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.' The colonel replied: 'I will try to inoculate the [Native American tribe] with some blankets that may fall in their hands, and take care not to get the disease myself.'

Smallpox decimated the Native Americans, who had never been exposed to the disease before and had no immunity."

Come back when you learn a little history yourself!

Given the fact that smallpox and other diseases killed millions of Native Americans - use of the term "Weapon of Mass Destruction" when a devastating disease is deliberately released among a population of people known to have no defense to it is not entirely without merit. Just as the term WMD is loosely used for a dirty bomb. Only in this case deliberately attempting to spread disease to a race without immunity could be considered far more deadly and in the end kill as many as a whole barrage of nukes.

Just because something can be called a WMD doesn't necessarily mean it was used on a large scale - I never said that - you attempted to but that was rejected.

If someone dumps truck fulls of radioactive waste or plague into a single city's water supply, that would be termed a WMD.

Smallpox is only one factor of a long list of things that if America did them nowadays to a stone age tribe - it would be called genocide.

But we're not talking about now - we're talking about then. And regardless, you won's see me apologizing for any of it cause I wasn't there.

Lets see if you are able to move on to any one of the other list of points to choose from and attempt to deny any of those happened.

And then, once you are able to admit they happened, lets see if you are able to take my position and not worry about apologizing for it even though you admit it happened.

It seems that you are very timid about both acknowledging facts and then not apologizing.

Brainwashed is all I can say.

[ansel12]

I’ll tighten this up a little, almost everyone in America knows that the American army (or government)gave poisoned smallpox blankets to the Indians, it is just a fact to most Americans.

I just realized that I better make something clear, it never happened, it is just part of the false anti American history that has been taught for at least two generations.

People's instincts should tell them that it rings false, after all Bob Hope and Geronimo were both alive at the same time and could have met, my own father was alive during Wyatt Earp's life, people should think to look a little deeper when something doesn't pass the smell test about America and it's character, a good place to start is our Indian fighting army.

[FTL]

My Lai Massacre - happen? Yes or no?

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Dresden fire bombing happen? Yes or no?

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Tokyo fire bombing happen? Yes or no?

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US nuked cities full of unarmed civilians along with military targets happen? Yes or no?

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Prisoners get slapped around a bit in Abu “Grab” happen with panties on their heads? Yes or no?

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Prisoners held in Gitmo for years without formal charges? Yes or no?

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Prisoners “Water boarded” and other unpleasant treatment that some call “torture” in the hands of US custody? Yes or no?

[Republic of Texas]

Scotland tried it as well, with the name “RobRoy” I’m sure you knew that. Ending badly and becoming necessary are not one in the same. To quote the great Josey Wales, “Some governments just need killin’”.

[FTL]

Do I take responsibility for ANY of it or apologize for America?

Yes or no?

[ansel12]

I never said that now, did I.
Nowhere in that line do I claim smallpox was a program by the US government since at the time there was no "US Government"
Another "nice" attempt at a canard and straw man though. Here is what I wrote: "Deliberate small pox can be considered use of a biological WMD."

What you said is this and I quote

"Many examples like My Lai carried out by American troops can be cited from the Indian wars. Deliberate small pox can be considered use of a biological WMD."

[FTL]

And in fact that is true, many My Lai-like massacres did in fact get carried out by American troops against bands, villages and tribes of Indians. Those are historical facts.

However, for the sake of clarity there should be a break between the lines there and the next line “Deliberate small pox can be considered use of a biological WMD” should be a stand alone line all by itself.

Now that we got that little tidbit cleared up for you - are you ready to admit N.E.Thing?

[ansel12]

I never said that now, did I.
Nowhere in that line do I claim smallpox was a program by the US government since at the time there was no "US Government"
Another "nice" attempt at a canard and straw man though. Here is what I wrote: "Deliberate small pox can be considered use of a biological WMD."

What you said is this and I quote

"Many examples like My Lai carried out by American troops can be cited from the Indian wars. Deliberate small pox can be considered use of a biological WMD."

And you were never talking about Britain, to claim that is to lie.

[FTL]

I clarified that, and informed you that a line break is missing and those were written to be two separate sentences, two separate lines, two separate points. Even when presented with facts, you still are too scared to admit you are wrong.

Reading comprehension or clarifications are not your strong suite I take it.

Don’t you find it amazing that you are unable to even state whether or not America fire bombed Tokyo? Your ignorance is astounding.

It appears to me that the argument you are trying to make is that “America has never done a single controversial thing in warfare or has ever been condemned for acts that America has done”.

My position is “we have done a few things a bit tough here and there. Some might even say abusive. Some might even say criminal. Those incidents are not my personal responsibility and I’m not apologizing for it”.

Your position is you can’t even admit something as simple as “Did we or didn’t we nuke the Japs? I find it rather amusing. I am beginning to think that you honestly don’t know.

Late here and gotta run. Have fun with your amazing level of denial and historical ignorance and cowardly refusal to state proudly that yes we nuked Japan and we’d do it again if they pull the same sh*t.

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My Lai Massacre - happen? Yes or no?

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Dresden fire bombing happen? Yes or no?

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Tokyo fire bombing happen? Yes or no?

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US nuked cities full of unarmed civilians along with military targets happen? Yes or no?

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Prisoners get slapped around a bit in Abu “Grab” happen with panties on their heads? Yes or no?