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Lessons Unlearned (Frum for Specter)
New Majority ^ | April 16, 2009 | David Frum

Posted on 04/16/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by yongin

Give Pat Toomey credit for this:

The declared challenger for the GOP nomination for Arlen Specter's Senate seat is willing to bet a career on a proposition that other conservatives only assert from the safety of the sidelines.

Toomey is betting that Republicans would do better in a blue-leaning state like Pennsylvania if they purged the last remaining moderates from the party. He’s (again) challenging Arlen Spectator - and this time, unlike last, he may well succeed. Just as Ned Lamont succeeded against Joe Lieberman in the Democratic primary.

The grand problem that follows, for Toomey as for Lamont, is then: what happens next? In the Connecticut example, Democrats escaped lightly from the Lamont blunder. Instead of delivering the seat to the Republicans, Lieberman ran as an independent Democrat and won, and since then has voted more or less along the Democratic party line. In Pennyslvania, by contrast, the defeat of Specter almost certainly will mean the loss of both Pennsylvania Senates to the Democrats for a generation.

Toomey theorizes that Republicans would do better in Pennsylvania if they were more outspokenly prolife and defiantly opposed to the Obama economic plan. The reality: If nominated, Toomey’s prolife views would cost him what remains of traditional Republican support in the Philadelphia suburbs and his anti-stimulus stance would damage him with working-clsas voters elsewhere in the state.

Take a look at this Quinnipiac survey:

Penn voters approve the Obama stimulus plan 50-37. They approve of Arlen Specter too, especially Independents and Democrats. And of course President Obama remains popular in the state.

On the other hand, maybe a Toomey nomination and subsequent defeat is just the kind of learning experience Republicans need to undergo. You might think we have had enough hard lessons as it is. But no. I’m reminded of that old 1960s joke about the liberal judge who decalred that the experience of being himself mugged had not changed his lenient views. Punchline: An old lady at the back of the hall shouts, “Mug him again.” That seems to be the GOP’s impending fate as well.


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1 posted on 04/16/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by yongin
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To: yongin

Frum is so off the mark here I can’t find the words to rebut his asinine reasoning. For once I’m speechless.


2 posted on 04/16/2009 8:08:42 PM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: yongin

I am from PA. I will gladly take my chances with Toomey.


3 posted on 04/16/2009 8:08:42 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: yongin

[And of course President Obama remains popular in the state. ]

Give it a year and a quarter when the depression is full bore and coal has been outlawed in Pennsylvania.

By the way, who anointed Frum to speak for conservatives?


4 posted on 04/16/2009 8:14:47 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote

News Week is propping Frum up as the reasonable voice of conservativism after he bashed Rush Limbaugh.


5 posted on 04/16/2009 8:17:30 PM PDT by yongin
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To: yongin
Specter no longer has a president to come pull his irons out of the fire for him.
6 posted on 04/16/2009 8:23:17 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - the ethically excepted asterisk administration)
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To: yongin

Frum. Asshat from Canaduh. Yet there are good people from there.


7 posted on 04/16/2009 8:33:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: yongin
And of course President Obama remains popular in the state.

Yeah right...

Only in Philly, Erie, and Pittsburgh, and near New York and New Jersey. The rest of the Commonwealth can't stand the man.

So Frum needs to STFU.

8 posted on 04/16/2009 8:48:54 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I don’t come to FreeRepublic to see what Frum has to say about anything.


9 posted on 04/16/2009 8:52:22 PM PDT by ccruse456
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To: yongin

Specter voted for the Stimulus Bill.

And with it, he voted:

—against debate
—against reading the bill
—against informing the public of what’s going on
—against the committee hearings
—against the concept of a “deliberative body.”

Never mind the damage that will come from this.

We should vote for him because on rare occasions he votes with the GOP on critical issues? We can do better. And if the Dems take the seat, it’s admittedly a loss,

-——but a small one.


10 posted on 04/16/2009 8:52:26 PM PDT by cookcounty (Sarah Palin: The Alaskan Democrats' Gingko Biloba: "...d'oh, NOW I remember... back in 1991....")
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To: yongin

“On the other hand, maybe a Toomey nomination and subsequent defeat is just the kind of learning experience Republicans need to undergo. You might think we have had enough hard lessons as it is. But no. I’m reminded of that old 1960s joke about the liberal judge who decalred that the experience of being himself mugged had not changed his lenient views. Punchline: An old lady at the back of the hall shouts, ‘Mug him again.’ That seems to be the GOP’s impending fate as well.”

What is he saying? That Republicans have to act more like Spectre? If that’s the case, why don’t we just vote for Democrats?


11 posted on 04/16/2009 9:00:57 PM PDT by Tublecane
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“Penn voters approve the Obama stimulus plan 50-37. They approve of Arlen Specter too, especially Independents and Democrats. And of course President Obama remains popular in the state”

Oh, okay, leftists are popular. No need for an opposition party then, I guess.


12 posted on 04/16/2009 9:02:32 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: yongin

Now I understand! Joe Biden imagined talking to President Bush, when he SHOULD have imagined himself talking to Frum.


13 posted on 04/16/2009 9:08:24 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: yongin
On the other hand, maybe a Toomey nomination and subsequent defeat is just the kind of learning experience Republicans need to undergo.

The purge of RINOs must start. If we eventually lose the seat that's OK. It's better than trying to justify a RINO voting like a Democrat. All Republicans get a black eye when a politician wearing our label votes to support tax increases and large gov't spending (or the killing of babies) etc.

14 posted on 04/17/2009 5:57:44 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: yongin

The reality? Moderate Republicans aren’t even holding their own in the Northeast. So what’s Dave Frum’s solution? As he wrote in another column, about us, it’s sort of like the Englishman on holiday...if the locals don’t understand you the first time, say it again, louder.


15 posted on 04/17/2009 9:22:41 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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