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To: gondramB; LucyT; MHGinTN; Fred Nerks; Candor7; Calpernia; null and void; little jeremiah; BonRad
>>Hawaii never confirmed a request for, nor the printing of, this Certification of Live Birth.<<

I'm pretty sure that's what Hawaii said they were doing.

Funny you should mention that because I was going back over the two articles that Politifact, the St. Pete Times sister site to Factcheck, had published when I uncovered two glaring errors they made which I forgot to mention.

For starters, Hawaii, as in Chyome Fukino, Director of Health, and Alvin Onaka, State Registrar and Head of OHSM, never said "Boo" about Obama's alleged "Certification of Live Birth." Now, here's where Politifact's Amy Hollyfield coughs up this big hairball on June 27, when she claimed that spokesperson, Janice Okubo (who else?), told her that "he, the registrar, looked at the image" she sent her and said that "he thought he saw traces of the embossed Seal."

Yeah....right. Funny, he didn't know anything about this COLB when I talked with him.

Hollyfield's article stinks to high heaven on this and other dubious claims. For one thing, we don't know which COLB image Hollyfield allegedly emailed to Okubo, but the odds are that she emailed the same copy that Politifact had posted: a shrunken, 93K, 811 x 786 pixel, hackjob that was almost as small as the one on Fight The Smears.

Getting back to Onaka and Fukino, right around the time that Bozo made his third visit to Hawaii, on HALLOWEEN (how appropriate), they went looking for "Obama's original birth certificate" (aka, Ghosts of birth certificates past). Now ONLY a government agency would call, "timely," an otherwise, a four and one-half month hiatus AFTER the bogus, one-side COLB was posted on the Internet, and subsequent cries of "fake! fake!" were defended to the death by Factcheck, Politifact, Politico, Snopes, and the ever-reliable Chicago Times.

As a matter of record (and "Record" is the operative word here), when Fukino made her "earth-shaking" announcement on Oct. 31, that she and Dr. Onaka had "personally seen and verified" that they have "Barack Obama's original birth certificate on record," they may not have even looked at a physical piece of paper!

They could have been staring at an envelope in which the original birth certificate would have been sealed when it was exchanged for a Hawaiian COLB up to a year after Obama was born. Heck, the envelope could have been empty, or contain a blank sheet of paper for all we were NOT told.

They could have been staring at a computer screen with a database RECORD on which the date of the late birth registration was entered and the country of origin for the original birth certificate accepted for exchange.

What else could "on record," mean? One one thing that Fukino and Onaka NEVER SAID was that Obama was born in Hawaii. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they knew Obama was a Hawaiian homey, there would be a State-sponsored luau in Obama's honor still be going on.

The two of them ought to go on "Dancing with the Stars" the way they danced around Obama's birth certificate issue.

As far as who we'd like to see on a TV show, my vote goes to Politifact's Amy Hollifield, as a guest on FOX's MOMENT OF TRUTH.

Not only does she provide a patently false answer to the question as to why was the COLB date-stamped "June 6, 2007" when Hollyfield quoted Janice Okubo as saying that "someone ordered his birth certificate in June 2008," but that she doesn't remember who. Ah, let me remind her of another suspicious quote.

In Hollyfield's original article on the COLB, circa June 13, 2008, she specifically quoted Obama's Muckraker Madam, Shaun Daly, as the one requesting his "birth certificate," -- which Hollyfield later admits that "only family members can get a copy" and that's the reason why they (Politifact) are only now receiving a copy.

Then on the follow-up article on June 27, Hollyfield repeats the criticisms of the bogus image, including the one about why is it stamped 2007 if ordered in 2008, but STILL says nothing in response to them!:

"When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real."

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started:

Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There's no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
Well, she did quote Okubo again who said, as to why the Seal and the Registrar stamp are not shown, "the scan was made of the front side and they would not be seen because they are on the back side."

A simple solution to that problem would have been for anyone to get off their backside and request a scan of the reverse side.

That is, of course, if there really was a reverse side of a genuine COLB to scan - which we now know is imaginary.

Here's an interesting factoid:

For kicks, I did a search of "Polarik" on the Daily Kos website, and the only things it turned up were two comments of about ten words each -- one, in Dec 2008, by Corvo (whom I believe is actually Jay McKinnon) noting my apparent anonymity and use of a pseudonym (which, presumably, no one else does on the Internet), and the other, in June 2008, by a sarcastic Kossack (that's what they call themselves) who went "whoo-oo" in response to my announced use of GIMP.

The Daily Kos couldn't stop ragging on the tea parties and the "kooks" who participated in them. No mention of what happened to former Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo this past week when he visited UNC-CH to give a talk opposing in-state tuition benefits to illegal immigrants.

Hundreds of protesters converged on Bingham Hall, shouting profanities and accusations of racism while Tancredo and the student who introduced him tried to speak. Minutes into the speech, a protester pounded a window of the classroom until the glass shattered, prompting Tancredo to flee and campus police to shut down the event.

These are the typical liberal left scum who demand to be heard, yet refuse to let anyone with opposing ideas be heard.

141 posted on 04/16/2009 7:51:41 AM PDT by Polarik (("Forgeries don't validate claims -- they repudiate them"))
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To: Polarik

BTTT for definitive comments on the HI “official” statements about O-Trauma’s supposed BC.

143 posted on 04/16/2009 10:08:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Polarik

Go get ‘em, P!

147 posted on 04/16/2009 7:07:13 PM PDT by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: Polarik
In Hollyfield's original article on the COLB, circa June 13, 2008, she specifically quoted Obama's Muckraker Madam, Shaun Daly, as the one requesting his "birth certificate," -- which Hollyfield later admits that "only family members can get a copy" and that's the reason why they (Politifact) are only now receiving a copy.

Hollyfield is wrong.There is one other way a certificate can be obtained. A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant can request a copy. Now in this case, that is supposedly what was done - with Daly requesting the certificate. Now if that is true, then DOH must have on record, a letter signed by Obama authorizing her to act as his agent in requesting the certificate. If they don't, it is one more piece of evidence that the COLB is nothing but a fraud.

148 posted on 04/16/2009 9:49:09 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Polarik
One additional thing to my above post. If Shaun Daly is the one that requested the certificate, she would have had to go to Hawaii in person with the authorization letter in order to obtain a copy. If it was requested via the Internet, then she committed wire fraud. When requesting a birth certificate from Hawaii via the Internet, you have to choose from a list your relationship to the registrant. The only options are those for family members and a state agency. By clicking "Proceed" she has to check a box that says in part :

I also certify that the information provided on the document is true and correct.

By claiming she is a family member and wasn't, she has committed wire fraud. Now, no member of the Obama team would ever be dishonest and do something such as committing wire fraud, would they ? (/sarc )

Thus it begs the question. Why go to all the trouble of writing a letter for authorization and flying out to Hawaii to obtain a copy ( or simply ask your sister or grandmother who are family members to obtain a copy ) when he himself could have requested a copy via the Internet in the same amount of time it would take him to sign a letter. The only explanation would be if you were requesting a Certificate of Live Birth and not the Certification of Live Birth ( COLB) The Certificate has to be requested in person. So then where is the Certificate ? The only thing that actually makes sense is that she never requested a copy of the COLB or of the vault copy either.

149 posted on 04/16/2009 11:25:07 PM PDT by TheCipher
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