Posted on 04/11/2009 7:00:44 PM PDT by gondramB
OSLO/BONN (Reuters) – Global warming is likely to overshoot a 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 F) rise seen by the European Union and many developing nations as a trigger for "dangerous" change, a Reuters poll of scientists showed on Tuesday.
Nine of 11 experts, who were among authors of the final summary by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007 (IPCC), also said the evidence that mankind was to blame for climate change had grown stronger in the past two years.
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There is no evidence of that either. CO2 radiates any heat it absorbs out. The “warmist” science of radiative forcing does not exist outside of a computer model.
Water vapor is overwhelming the system.
Well as far as glaciers go, no new glaciers are freezing. That won’t happen until the next ice age. What glaciers still exist from the last ice age will keep eroding until they erode away completely.
Actually, we had a couple weeks of above average temps in Feb & a couple below. Similar in Mar.
However, remember the averages go back to the 1800s. When I grew up, the highest temp ever in Tucson was 108. Normal temps in the summer were 102.
Now, Tucson has grown vastly denser. In the 70s, entire square miles inside the city had no buildings, and the roads were lightly traveled. Now we have heavily used roads, and all the empty spaces have filled in. Normal temps in the summer are 105-110, and 115 isn’t uncommon - we’ll sometimes get that a week running or more.
The average Tucson temp is lower than the current ‘normal’ due to the huge change in population. We had about 40,000 in the 40s, 300,000 here in the 1970s...about 1,000,000 now.
‘Average’ temperatures are based on records going back into the 1800s, and the bulk were taken prior to the population explosion. The average is cooler than what you would expect to have happen now. Compared to the 90s, this is COLD.
Wasn't there a UN panel that declared they were 95% confident that we were killing 5000 Iraqi children every day?
I think both declarations have the same amount of truth in them. None.
>>Well as far as glaciers go, no new glaciers are freezing. That won’t happen until the next ice age. What glaciers still exist from the last ice age will keep eroding until they erode away completely.<<
Ice melts and forms each year and there is a government report called the state of the cryosphere that shows the balance..
I think last years says 2/3 of the rise in sea level was from more ice melting than forming while 1/3 was was the thermal expansion as the oceans warm up.
http://nsidc.org/sotc/index.html
The idea that humankind could keep glaciers from melting is ridiculous.
Thanks. Can that be accessed online and linked?
>>The idea that humankind could keep glaciers from melting is ridiculous.<<
Actually if worse comes to worse we could probably invoke mild nuclear winter - pick some corner of the earth no one really needs and blow enough dust, smoke and soot into the stratosphere to prevent sunlight from reaching the earth’s surface.
Of course it would take some serious nukes and Greenpeace would probably get pissed.
A curious thing happens when one reviews the maximum and minimum U.S. records set since 1895 to 2007 (latest data); a mere 8 lowest minimums and 6 highest maximums (and yes, I am fully aware of the redundancy) were set after 1970.
The only two states of 50 with the least swings are Florida and Hawaii both either surrounded by or largely influenced by seas as borders.
As might be expected, the lowest, Hawaii, with a max-min difference of a mere 48 degrees F is followed by a proportionate value of ~62 F for Florida.
Curiously, west of the Mississippi, Utah has the oldest, most uniform set of records.
All of which proves nothing other than we are working with a very limited and less verifiable data set.
Two things happened around 1970; we were experiencing a 30 year cooling trend at the same time we focused our attention on the climate in a more political manner as Nixon signed the alphabet agencies into existence.
Budget considerations and the environmental movement coalesced into a new-found reliance on unproved, automated and unmonitored remote reporting stations at the very same time that the numbers worldwide were reaching their historic peak over 17,000 in number.
Today we are down to around 3,000 and many of those are undergoing scrutiny all at the same time as those people with a cause continue their attempt to accelerate and advance the crusade.
We have, at least in tenor of things, reached a perfect storm — perhaps of our own making — with no greater understanding of the tumult yet to show its true face.
A nuclear winter would be a lot worse for the environment than global warming. The truth is, there will be another ice age. We can’t stop it and it will definitely be catastrophic for the human race. If we want to worry about some future catastrophe, it’s the impending ice age, not global warming. Global warming does not pose any threat to humankind and would in fact be very beneficial.
The earth is heated by the sun, it can’t heat itself nor can it clutch the blanket tighter; were the planet a living organism it would be growing fur or shedding according to scale — we simply might need a good brushing.
You won’t live long enough to be the witness.
As fate or luck would have it, the now enthusiastic and stoically naive audience promptly picked 1 2 3 as their first selection; one can only appreciate history and marvel at the power of irony to correctly conclude that the very first random lottery pick was indeed, 1 2 3.
The suddenly red-faced, bare-assed solons quickly circled the wagons and from between the spokes, bravely announced the overwhelming acceptance by the voting public of this new adventure -- and predictably passed, by voice vote an emergency drawdown of the state's fast dwindling resources.
The WVA lottery remains today a comfortable mix of a few winners and a dependable number of losers while all the money is spent a year ahead of collection by the once-again properly groomed and outfitted purveyors of the proscribed.
All the while, Sen. Robert Byrd's name adorns more and more misplaced and displaced edifices coincident with their certain combined decay. Such is the case of correlation absent causation.
It’s a very simple matter to determine if the earth could maintain its heat from within; all existing laws of physics insist that our sun will lose mass; our sudden demise would concentrate, not eliminate the CO2 load; no other creature gives a shit.
At least your pragmatism hasn’t frozen...
It should be expected that they would continue to rise until they reached 39F and then evaporate into the air or refreeze; are all landmasses anchored to the earth’s core?
If blue was ugly, would we wish for cloudy skies?
Again, Who gives a shit but human parasites?
The future is but a dream where we allow ourselves to languish within the past.
My dear friend, I wax prolixic; apology is prologue.
I back down stairs double checking to make sure the Easter Bunny came and went without incident...
And I’ll read it all tomorrow but I must say you show a unique ability to blend the poetic, prosaic and the technical.
You think that’s bad, just read this!
“Around the time I was 10 and a fence was meant for people and not stray cows I joined up with some kids on the way to the school bus.
There lived by the road an old, incredibly old, man who made such a fuss over his trees that he stood watch in protection of his much treasured trove. With each passing day the game played out: a cherry here, a pear there — an apple from time to time all fell prey to we passers-by.
The closer we came the more exciting it became till one day we stopped and in curosity remained, the old man was not to be seen and behind the fence silence reigned; soon the bravest and most foolish among us began to climb the foreboding fence and reached as high as he might.
With a grunt and a sniggering snatch he held in the palm of his hand the most-prized apple atop the small groomed tree.
Just then this wizened and grey old lady followed her apron to where the boy now lay, mouth agape and quite frightened on the strangely cold summer’s clay.
“I’m so glad to see you,” she said, “My husband’s so sorry he missed you today, the Lord came last night and took him away.”
No word was spoken as all went along, each boy in his weakness, align with the path well worn — awaiting by turn where the weak meet the strong.”
However, remember the averages go back to the 1800s. When I grew up, the highest temp ever in Tucson was 108. Normal temps in the summer were 102.
Again, not exactly what the Tucson NWS says...
March was warm - at least here in S. AZ - I think the rest of the country was cold...:^)
March 2009 goes into the record books as the 7th warmest on record with an average monthly temperature of 63.2 degrees, which is four degrees above normal. Temperature extremes for the month ranged from a record high of 91 degrees on the 2nd to a low of 38 degrees on the 28th.
March was not cold locally.
I do agree with you about the urban heat island effect though. I think the problem is we are looking at too small a sample size...:^)
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