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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t agree with your BARF alert.

The article very accurately describes adrenaline dump (tunnel vision, loss of fine motor skills) and raises an excellent question about whether carrying a handgun would help the average person thru a shooting crisis. And it provides excellent advice on what you can do if you don’t happen to have a gun handy.

I wish we could get ABC here in New Zealand: I’d be fascinated to see how the students do in the simulation. I will go out on a limb and speculate, tho’ — I suspect it’s not as easy for them as pull-out-the-Glock-and-shoot-the-Bad-Guy. I bet most of them adrenaline dump and freeze up.

I’d be really grateful if someone could watch this one and tell me how it goes.

*DieHard*


16 posted on 04/10/2009 12:56:21 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

>>The article very accurately describes adrenaline dump (tunnel vision, loss of fine motor skills) and raises an excellent question about whether carrying a handgun would help the average person thru a shooting crisis.<<

This is why a person’s choice of handgun needs to be based on how much dedication they will put into it. If you buy a gun with the intention of “load and forget”, you need a revolver. It’s better than nothing, because if your motor skills are too degraded to shoot a revolver, you sure won’t be able to dial a cell phone, use pepper spray, or a knife, or any other weapon.

(I’m not implying that a revolver is only “better than nothing”. I mean that a revolver plus no practice or training is better than nothing. I love revolvers! I carry one for defense and I have a safe full of semi-autos at home. I stopped a knife-wielding mugger with a revolver.)


34 posted on 04/10/2009 1:16:48 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I will go out on a limb and speculate, tho’ — I suspect it’s not as easy for them as pull-out-the-Glock-and-shoot-the-Bad-Guy. I bet most of them adrenaline dump and freeze up.

Of course they will all do poorly.

But the show harps on the point of these mass-shootings and then focuses on one individual trying to counter a direct threat. Why not emphasize that if just ONE student in the halls or in a classroom adjacent to the first one getting shot up at Virginia Tech was armed, that person could possibly have saved many, many lives. In that case, the time could be taken to draw the weapon and plan the attack.

Instead, they will make it look like it doesn't matter if you carry or not (and point out it's safer if you don't, I'm sure) mass shootings will still happen.

48 posted on 04/10/2009 1:44:28 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrats want nationalized health care? I'll take the coverage Congress has. Nothing less.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Darren McCarty

The article earned it’s barf alert by using the word vigilante for someone defending their life during an attack.

I’m a person who goes about their every day life and just happens to have a concealed weapon. I don’t patrol my neighborhood. I don’t own a police scanner. I don’t belong to any organization that fights crime. I’m not a vigilante if I happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and hope to survive it with skills I have learned.


82 posted on 04/10/2009 4:56:00 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
tunnel vision, loss of fine motor skills..

That's why I have Crimson Trace grips on my handgun. The Rangemaster where I shoot won't let me use them..I do fine without them, but if I am ever in a situation where I need them, getting off five shots center mass, or three center mass & 2 in the head with that little red dot..it's a nice thing to have, and I am assuming that in the ABC contrived show, the glock didn't have them.

I can't imagine I'd shoot as well with someone else's gun, as well as I do with one of mine.

87 posted on 04/10/2009 8:11:57 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I wish we could get ABC here in New Zealand: I’d be fascinated to see how the students do in the simulation. I will go out on a limb and speculate, tho’ — I suspect it’s not as easy for them as pull-out-the-Glock-and-shoot-the-Bad-Guy. I bet most of them adrenaline dump and freeze up.

The guy grabs the Glock through his shirt and flails around like a fish on pavement, trying to get it unholstered.

I think part of the "simulation" was having him sit next to a girl, so he'd be distracted. He fidgets with the pistol so much she actually asks him if he's carrying a gun.

105 posted on 04/11/2009 9:39:54 AM PDT by gundog
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I bet most of them adrenaline dump and freeze up.

The men quoted in the article apparently agree with you, but look a little deeper. They say that it's possible to "have a plan" for how to avoid getting shot, but they discount the possibility for having a plan to take out the perp.

They can't have it both ways. If those wanting to escape can still function with an adrenaline dump (by playing dead, finding a closet, calling 911, etc.), then so can the armed, aware "citizen enforcer".
116 posted on 04/11/2009 8:23:25 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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