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To: Windflier

Please note that I’m not saying that there isn’t anything interesting in his birth certificate, not any legitimate quesitons about his qualifications. It’s possible there is simply something embarassing in the birth certificate, too, but I think the newpaper birth reports are fairly strong evidence that make it most likely he really was born in Hawaii. I think the biggest problem is the Indonesian citizenship issue. If he was simply an Indonesian citizen because of his mother and adoptive father, I could see the courts giving him a pass on that. I also don’t believe the courts would say that he doesn’t qualify as a natural born citizen because his father wasn’t an American citizen. If, however, he traveled under an Indonesian passport as an Indonesian citizen as an adult, that could be a real problem.


27 posted on 04/09/2009 10:45:46 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
I think the newpaper birth reports are fairly strong evidence that make it most likely he really was born in Hawaii.

You may not have followed the BC issue as closely as some of us have. In 1961, anyone could file for a "Certification of Live Birth" in Hawaii. Many foreign nationals who were clearly born in other countries were issued these documents.

The Hawaiian newspapers of the day printed birth announcements via lists issued by the state records office.

ALL births recorded by the state of Hawaii were published in the newspapers, regardless of the location of the actual birth, or the nationality of the infant.

As long as someone filed for and obtained a Hawaiian "Certification of Live Birth", the notice would go out to the newspapers, and be published.

I also don’t believe the courts would say that he doesn’t qualify as a natural born citizen because his father wasn’t an American citizen.

Again, you may want to visit the Obama Birth Certificate threads on this website to gain more insight into that question. Go here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/birthcertificate/index

29 posted on 04/09/2009 11:21:23 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

You raise a number of issues. I’ll just speak to one. He is listed in written school records as Barry Soetoro, a Muslim and an Indonesian citizen. At that time, Indonesians were not allowed to hold dual citizenship. And no one but Indonesian citizens were allowed to attend those schools.

If neither Obama nor his parents re-applied for American citizenship after that, then he is not an American citizen at all, let alone natural born. He is an Indonesian citizen. He could have applied to be reinstated, but I don’t believe that he did.

There are, of course, many other problems surrounding this issue. We don’t know for sure without records and written evidence, but the probabilities are pretty high that he is not an American AT ALL.


34 posted on 04/09/2009 12:45:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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