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>> If death was around before Adam sinned then death did not enter with sin. Thus we do not need Christ to ever come death.

Far be it from me to defend evolution (as I am not sure I completely buy it myself, I simply admit that it is a possibility). I’m no scientist or theologian. But, I think you made a theological leap there.

It seems to me that “evolutionary death” preceding the first human would be the death of animals prior to their “evolution” into sentient humans. The sin of the first sentient human (Adam) brought death on mankind from its inception — but I don’t see why the death of non-humans prior to the first man would be contrary to Biblical teachings in that respect.

In addition, God would certainly forsee the sin of Adam — and thus could’ve built the death of man into the “laws of nature”. Bit of a predestination paradox — chicken or egg? Did God created human death upon Adam sinning, or did He predetermine human death knowing that Adam would sin? Either way, it would seem to fit with death being the wages of sin (Romans).

>> God said it is good when he created. Evolution needs death decay and destruction to work. Where is the good in that.

Sometimes “good” can come from that which appears bad, like death. For instance, we often derive good from the death of animals (through the consumption of meat). Why would it be intrinsically “not good” to derive evolutionary benefit from the death of animals?

>> My God is very big, he created the very laws of nature we live with. he could if he so pleases, and will someday change them again.

Perhaps He will. Perhaps not. Perhaps the laws of Nature’s God have already built-in all that He needs.

SnakeDoc

"Sometimes “good” can come from that which appears bad, like death. For instance, we often derive good from the death of animals (through the consumption of meat). Why would it be intrinsically “not good” to derive evolutionary benefit from the death of animals?"

What "evolutionary benefit" is there from death of animals (or humans for that matter)Animals have been dying since God put them on earth. No matter how many bones we dig up, we find that animals have been dying on earth since god put them on earth. some dies out completely. NONE of them evolved into other animals. NOT ONE SINGLE LOUSY BIT of evidence that even ONE, out of millions, billions of creatures is there that ANYTHING evolved even...once.

What people seem to overlook is that God wasn't the only one to do his work during the creation of the world we now live in, and how it is now, ISN"T the way it was supposed to be.

Death entered the 'World" not just man. So the whole world began to experience death and decay, but not until then.

Besides evolutionists do not distinguish between man and animal and plant. They look at all life forms a equal. They need to because otherwise they would have to accept man is above all other life forms, and then they would not be able to convince us to protect the world over man. They need to reduce men to nothing more then a cosmic accident.

The same way they have reduced the unborn to nothing more then a tumor. That way when someone gets an abortion it was nothing. It all comes down to reducing humans to the lowest common denominator.

If evolution exists, then God does not. If God does not exist, then men are expendable. If men are expendable, then we can protect animals and the environment at the expense of humans life and well being.

Welcome to the new world of moral relativism.

but I don’t see why the death of non-humans prior to the first man would be contrary to Biblical teachings in that respect.

Rom 8:20..."For the creation was subjected to frustration,not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay..."

When God made creation He said it was good. Do you think nature was experiencing bondage to decay when God said that? Don't think so.

Adam was the one who subjected nature to decay, not God. Decay in nature did not exist before Adam sinned.