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Are You Hoarding Ammo?
humanevents.com ^ | 03/31/2009 | Ross Kaminsky

Posted on 03/31/2009 5:17:17 AM PDT by kellynla

As I was walking through the ammunition aisle at my local Bass Pro Shops, I muttered to the man standing next to me how disappointingly empty the shelves were. “Not as bad as last week”, he said. I shouldn’t have been surprised. Back in February, Cabelas, a publicly-traded outdoor outfitter saw its stock go up 35% in one day when earnings blew away estimates because of very strong “sales of firearms and related accessories.”

If President Obama has stimulated anything in America, it is demand for guns and ammunition. According to Rich Wyatt, the voluble and intense owner of Gunsmoke -- a firearms training facility just outside Denver -- “If I had known it would be this good in the gun business, I might have voted for Obama.”

It’s not just a couple of stores seeing a run on guns and even more so on ammunition. From local gun shops to WalMart to sporting goods stores, the story is the same: When the store gets a shipment of ammo, particularly .45, 9mm, and .38 handgun ammunition, “people come in and they buy it all.”

The manager of a local gun shop where I’ve been a customer told me that business has doubled since the election. Whereas the typical first time buyer pre-election had generally been a 30- or 40-something male, first time gun buyers now include more younger people, older people, and women than in the past. “They’re buying semi-automatic pistols and shotguns for home defense, as well as ‘concealed weapons’. There’s also a strong interest in ‘black guns’”, military-style assault rifles, both from people who want to buy them “because they can” as well as others who believe they’ll be able to sell them at higher prices someday soon.

Where politics was rarely mentioned during a gun purchase a year ago, the store manager says at least 60% of his customers mention the Obama administration now.

At Rich Wyatt’s Gunsmoke, “We are getting ‘Prius-driving Obama people’ buying guns because they realize they picked the wrong pony…even though they never admit it.” Just like my local gun shop, Wyatt has “old ladies and young people and liberals” buying guns. He says that while there were spikes in gun buying during the Clinton administration, during the Rodney King riots, and even just before Y2K, he’s never seen anything remotely on this scale.

A customer I spoke with at Bass Pro Shops (the employees wouldn’t speak with me for an article) actually owns a gun shop, but he was buying ammunition there because his wholesaler had run out. His customers are hoarding ammunition and, to a lesser extent, guns. He described a recent spectacle at a gun show where one vendor had a relatively large supply of ammunition and customers were swarming around him buying 50 boxes at a time…and not at a bargain price.

At Dick’s Sporting Goods, they were almost out of .45 ammunition after having received a shipment just that morning. Not only are people buying as much ammunition as they can find and afford, they’re doing it during the work day rather than taking the chance that it will be gone by the weekend.

As if the message weren’t clear enough, a sign at a local WalMart said “Due to the increased demand from customers for ammunition, our suppliers are increasing production…” A salesman said that their ammunition supply is now infrequent and unpredictable: “We used to get shipments almost every day. Now we only know we’ll have it when we see it. I get at least a half-dozen calls a day asking for ammunition, especially for handguns, and when it arrives, the customers buy everything.”

Over at Gunsmoke, Rich Wyatt says “Now, it’s not what the ammo costs; it’s ‘do you have it?’”

Much of the demand for ammunition is due to an NRA advertising campaign during election season which described Barack Obama’s historical positions on gun issues, including having said that he would support a 500% federal tax on guns and ammunition. And while it is true that Obama has not made many anti-gun statements recently, gun rights expert David Kopel explains clearly that Barack Obama is easily the most anti-gun President in US history.

In his 2004 Senate campaign, Barack Obama said he would like to ban concealed carry permits. Now that Obama is President, Gunsmoke’s concealed carry courses are selling out class after class (50 people in each) in addition to their 3-day pistol classes, which are already sold out through June.

“People are petrified…afraid for their rights that Obama is going to attack. And while Obama says he doesn’t support banning guns, a 500% tax would effectively be a financial ban on both guns and ammunition. I think the left’s goal is that in 50 or 100 years, there are people who don’t even know that they could have bought guns or ammunition.”

Colorado is several months behind in processing concealed carry permits because of demand. Last month, it was reported that Florida “is buried under a backlog of 95,000 applications for concealed-weapons permits and it needs to hire a lot more people to handle the paperwork.” In Georgia, firearm permits were up 79% in 2008 over 2007. In Oklahoma, the number is around 90%. In Ohio, the number of concealed carry licenses issued in the 4th quarter of 2008 was 111% higher than the 4th quarter of 2007.

Wyatt’s concealed carry classes emphasize the basics of gun use, safety, and the law, but “It’s Politics 101 as well, trying to make sure people understand not only their rights regarding guns but also the Constitution and their rights and responsibilities as American citizens.” He tries to make sure people are conscious of the “boiling the frog” approach by government to infringing on our rights, and gun rights in particular, just slowly enough that the average person might not notice. Just be prepared, he warns, for the return of government saying “We’re not banning all guns…just these guns.” And that’s part of the reason that there’s so much demand for ‘these’ guns, which is to say just about every type of gun you can imagine.

Since the election, the shares of gunmaker Smith & Wesson have more than doubled, with competitor Ruger’s shares up nearly as much. Two weeks ago a large gun and ammunition manufacturer, Olin Corp. raised its earnings guidance, anticipating a record quarterly profit for its Winchester ammunition division. The American public is speaking, and they’re saying in no uncertain terms that they don’t believe President Obama’s claims to support gun rights since his history says something very different.

Rich Wyatt’s position is typically none too subtle: “Barack Obama is right about one thing. We are clinging to God and our guns, and I defy him to try to take either one from us.”

As for me, after a day of thinking about the Obama administration and guns, I bought my local WalMart’s last box of .38 caliber ammunition.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; ammo; banglist; bho2009; bho44; bhobanglist; cwii; democrats; guns; obama; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: 2111USMC

Why would bootlegging be immoral???

IIRC, Prohibition created a blackmarket and the distribution of said items, and the fact that it was repealed proved that you cannot effectively regulate or control social behavior...

Not that I condone illegal acts...But think about it...Something that is legal one day, and made illegal the next, just because...Doesn’t compute with some people...Think about those firearms you own??? Right???

Imagine the bootlegging (blackmarketing) that is going to be created if they make posessing those things illegal???

But somehow the government has not learned the lesson completely enough to keep them off our backs...Or maybe they know, but still like to “control” things...

Just yanking your chain Marine...;-)


261 posted on 04/01/2009 5:27:47 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: mad_as_he$$
Eric Frank Russell's science-fiction classic Wasp is as relevant to human society today as it was in the 1950s when he wrote it.
262 posted on 04/01/2009 5:38:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ravingnutter
Please be careful. The .380 cartridge was sometimes also called "9mm Kurz" (Kurz = short). The case is a few thousandths shorter than the 9mm Luger (AKA 9mm Parabellum, 9x19mm ...) and (if I recall my reloading manuals correctly) is designed for significantly lower pressure. Bullets are .355" diameter (again, IIRMRLMC), but lighter: 80-90gr for .380, rather than 90-147gr for 9mm Luger.

Bottom line: the ammunition commonly sold in the USA as "9mm" is NOT the same as .380, even if the .380 pistol has "9mm" stamped on the chamber. It won't fit in your pistol (I hope) and if it did, firing it would be a bad idea.

If you already know this, please accept my apologies for repetitiveness.

263 posted on 04/01/2009 5:56:10 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You are correct that 9mm bullets will not work in a .380 as the 9mm is a significantly more powerful cartridge. I could convert the gun by changing out the barrel (if a suitable conversion barrel could be found), but that would kind of defeat the purpose of owning and taking my CCW testing with an heirloom gun. I appreciate the warning though.


264 posted on 04/01/2009 6:39:38 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ArrogantBustard
Reloading the .380 requires a little bit more experiance than a novice, an electronic scale is recommended and use only a single stage press, only a few tenths of a grain can lead to over pressure. Though the .380 may appear to be a 9mm Luger in short form it does have some different measurements at the base, if the extractor was able to work properly on the gun for a shortened 9mm case I would possibly try to reload it, but so far its a cartridge I do not have a die set for and probably won't buy one for.
265 posted on 04/01/2009 6:50:27 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Eye of Unk

I don’t own a .380, so don’t reload it. I do reload 9x19, and I’m really careful to check charge weights and cartridge length. It’s awfully small ...


266 posted on 04/01/2009 7:30:53 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DuncanWaring
When they start kicking in doors, anywhere in the nation, they've crossed the Rubicon. I, for one, will not turn in anything I own, because it's my right to own them. To wait until they've established a beachhead is lunacy.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

267 posted on 04/01/2009 9:00:44 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: kneedragger111
Well, maybe it's because I feel "safe" here in God's Country, aka Idaho, but I'm not inclined to turn anything in, or explain away anything with plausible deniability. Those who live elsewhere may feel a bit more, if you'll excuse the bad pun, "under the gun".

It is my right, granted by God, protected by the US Constitution, and purchased again and again over the years by the blood of my fellow Americans, to keep and bear arms. Anyone who chooses, for whatever reason, to deprive me of my rights (any of them) had better pack a lunch, 'cause he's gonna be there all day.

I am an American...don't f*** with me.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

268 posted on 04/01/2009 9:10:34 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: wku man
I, for one, will not turn in anything I own, because it's my right to own them.

I'll never turn in anything.


269 posted on 04/01/2009 9:39:00 AM PDT by SIDENET ("It was a different time, you understand." - Wallace "Suitcase" Jefferson)
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To: SIDENET
Amen, brother.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

270 posted on 04/01/2009 9:52:23 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: stevie_d_64
Knowing how to distill liquor and brew beer might be good skills to have WTSHTF.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

271 posted on 04/01/2009 9:54:57 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Bookmarking for sure, thanks!


272 posted on 04/01/2009 4:56:47 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: wku man

My grandfather taught me well...

Cheers!


273 posted on 04/01/2009 5:58:49 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“Guns store well for centuries, as long as they’re kept from wet or extreme dampness. But how long do various types of ammo store, and under what conditions? I know most ammo is not nearly as hardy over the long term as guns (especially oil-coated guns), but what are the specifics. Can anybody provide solid info, or links to solid info? If there’s a way to package handgun and rifle cartridges for reliable 100 year storage (or even 50 year storage), I’d like to know what it is. Especially would like to know details of whether certain types of ammo are significantly more stable in long-term storage than others.”

GI Ammo cans with some type of moisture absorbant will work well. You can still buy WWII era ammo that shoots well, and the brass is better than what you get today.


275 posted on 04/02/2009 11:48:54 AM PDT by GT Vander (Life's priorities; God, Family, Country. Everything else is just details...)
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To: jurroppi1

No such problems in central Ohio. Besides, I’m handloading.


276 posted on 04/02/2009 12:17:57 PM PDT by goarmy (IT'S THE SEVENTIES AGAIN!)
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To: goarmy

No kidding? Everywhere I’ve been they told me that shipments consist of a few scattered boxes of whatever ammo, and it’s gone almost immediately. This is in MN...


277 posted on 04/02/2009 12:24:00 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (We need to reward the people that carry the water instead of the people that drink the water!)
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To: kellynla
Bought some 22 LR at wally world and had to tell them if it was for rifle or hand gun .
Has any body else had this experence? (I live in NC)
278 posted on 04/02/2009 3:37:13 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Charlespg
I hope you didn't answer.......

Or tell them to jam it.

279 posted on 04/02/2009 3:39:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Our constitution protects aliens, drunks and U.S. Senators. -Will Rogers)
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