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To: eCSMaster; sefarkas; DesertRhino; count-your-change; drbuzzard; BILL_C; McGavin999; oldbill; ...

I don’t have the time or energy to reply to all of you individually, I wish I did. However I’ll respond to a few common points.

1) I’m well aware that nuclear is used for base load, as it should be. There are many nuclear technologies that are too costly to implement because of the red tape. They would help the case for nuclear. But there are other issues as well.

2) My biggest concern is that people (especially here!) are so anti-green that we end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater. As one of you mentioned, there ARE good uses for wind and solar. Wind isn’t responsive in and of itself, but there are technologies (some that I’m working on) that will allow it to be. To be fair, any power source could be hooked up to what we’re working on. And in fact one of them is used to consume excess energy on the grid in Germany.

3) Somebody mentioned space-based solar power. I’m a big fan, but as with anything else, there are hurdles to overcome. Big ones.

4) One thing wind and solar have going for them, their economics are relatively fixed and they become viable once fossil fuel costs reach a certain level. We don’t know what the limit of petroleum supplies on Earth is, but there most certainly is one. And there’s no harm in preparing for it now.

4) My biggest concern with large wind farms is the health implications of the low frequency vibrations (~10 Hz). They’re below the audible range, and many times can’t even be felt, but they’re high amplitude and wreak havoc with the vestibular system. Audible noise and birds fall WAY down on my list. Way down.

As I said in my second point. If you’re so anti-green that you can’t see the forest for the trees when you’re looking at these technologies then we won’t get along. There are ALWAYS problems with new technologies, no matter the area. But problems can be solved, it usually takes time and money. I understand the second is a sticking point for lots of people. I can disclose that my work in the field is privately funded, we’re letting the market do it’s job.

My job isn’t to decide which technology to use, that’s for people much further up the food chain. My job is to make sure that those people get the information they need to make that decision. One project I’m working on in the field deals with the intermittancy of wind, along with its off-peak statistical nature.


107 posted on 03/21/2009 1:01:34 PM PDT by AntiKev ("Within the strangest people, truth can find the strangest home." - Great Big Sea - Company of Fools)
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To: AntiKev

I’m not anti-green.

I *am* anti-subsidy.

As soon as wind and solar can pull their weight in the marketplace without subsidy, they are welcome.

They have a LONG LONG way to go, however.

Right this red hot second, nuclear and drill-here-drill-now are the most sensible alternatives.


108 posted on 03/21/2009 1:05:48 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: AntiKev

I am not “anti-green” but LOL at the envirowacko who demand no oil/coal/nuclear expansion for all these ‘green’ projects, then the next time you turn around its “oh we can’t put those green projects here because __________” Green technology MAY become substantially effective enough in the future to replace the standard energy sources. But is it pollyanish for some (not speaking of you) to expect it to replace them at our present technology levels and demands.


109 posted on 03/21/2009 1:17:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem)
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To: AntiKev

The greens are first in line to oppose windfarms and solar farms.

You have to have noticed that by now.

Greens favor solar and wind if you’re planning a natgas plant. They oppose solar if you’re building a solar plant. They oppose wind if you are planning a wind farm. There is no point in trying to please a green, because they are not serious people.

Wind and solar are fine for niche uses and supplemental power. They will never be anything more. They should not be considered environmentally preferable to coal, natgas, nukes, simply due to their enormous footprint.

Greens oppose wind and solar because they are luddite fantasists. I don’t oppose them if they pull their weight and someone wants to invest his own money in it. But “green” power they are not.


110 posted on 03/21/2009 1:38:17 PM PDT by marron
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To: AntiKev

So you agree with everything we said, but that we still need to spend lots on wind power, which you just happen to work in.

Sounds like someone’s protecting their lunch bucket, not that there’s anything wrong with that. That’s what the guys at AIG are doing too.


112 posted on 03/21/2009 2:53:49 PM PDT by oldbill
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