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U.S. Cruiser Totaled By A Sand Bar
Strategy Page ^ | 3-17-09 | James Dunnigan

Posted on 03/17/2009 12:08:03 PM PDT by Renfield

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To: Renfield

So much went wrong here - it’s hard to know where to begin.

Annapolis appears to be turning out far too many losers...and crew training can’t be up to snuff.

There have been far too many instances of our ships being damaged by “accident” or failure to provide adequate “force protection”

One would think that our modern and very electronically sophisticated warships should be capable of avoiding KNOWN hazards in close proximity to their own port area of Hawaii!!!!

How much is known about this Captain?


21 posted on 03/17/2009 12:21:29 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: pabianice
It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts.
22 posted on 03/17/2009 12:22:30 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: pabianice
Let me suggest the crap WAS on the charts, as is evidenced by this line in the article: " It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts.
23 posted on 03/17/2009 12:22:34 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Want to make a conservative angry? Lie to him. Want to make a liberal angry? Tell him the truth)
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To: Renfield

“The ship may be there for months, and the total cost for repairs may be over $50 million”

Fix it. There is nothing on the face of the earth that can be had for $50m equal to this. I want it in our fleet.


24 posted on 03/17/2009 12:24:08 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Renfield

A grounding like this can ruin your whole day.


25 posted on 03/17/2009 12:25:26 PM PDT by shotdog (I love my country; it's the government I'm afraid of.)
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To: bgill

Which part of that quote do you find shocking?


26 posted on 03/17/2009 12:27:23 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Renfield

Does a ship run a full crew during sea trials or is just a subset required?


27 posted on 03/17/2009 12:27:50 PM PDT by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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To: thinkthenpost

Because the launch tubes beneath them got mis-aligned?


28 posted on 03/17/2009 12:28:32 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: shotdog

Well, the skipper certainly screwed up big, but I find it incredible that a warship could have been so heavy damaged from a soft grounding. Guess they don’t build ‘em like they used to.


29 posted on 03/17/2009 12:30:18 PM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: chrisser

More or less full crew plush augmentees from shipyard and any other agency that needs it’s system validated underway.


30 posted on 03/17/2009 12:30:59 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Go big or go home I always say!


31 posted on 03/17/2009 12:31:33 PM PDT by cups
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To: Renfield
A little more information.

USS Port Royal Runs Aground In Hawaii… Captain Is Toast.

One of the biggest, most expensive and most technologically advanced warships based at Pearl Harbor ran aground in 17 to 22 feet of water half a mile off Honolulu International Airport’s reef runway.

Navy tugs tried early yesterday morning to nudge the 9,600-ton, 567-foot-long guided missile cruiser USS Port Royal off the sandy and rocky bottom, but were unsuccessful, officials said.

Captain John Carroll was replaced as commander of the USS Port Royal pending an investigation into how the ship ran aground about a half-mile (0.8 kilometers) south of Honolulu Airport last Thursday, authorities said.

The state-of-the-art 9,600-ton guided missile cruiser was freed from shoal waters south of Oahu early Monday after it spent three days stuck on a rocky and sandy seabed in 22 feet (6.7 meters) of water.

The cruiser was hauled to Pearl Harbor where it will enter dry dock repairs. Navy officials did not have a cost estimate for the salvage operation.

32 posted on 03/17/2009 12:31:50 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Renfield
That ship draws 33 feet of water?
33 posted on 03/17/2009 12:31:56 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Doohickey

Thanks!


34 posted on 03/17/2009 12:32:24 PM PDT by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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To: pabianice

The story says the debris WAS on the charts.


35 posted on 03/17/2009 12:32:59 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Renfield
The ship may be there for months, and the total cost for repairs may be over $50 million.

Let's see. AIG Bailout 85 Billion and we're talking 50 million for repairs. Chump change.

I think 1,000 million = 1 billion. Sorry if I am wrong, but I don't normally work with such large numbers.

So we gave AIG 85 X 1,000 million??? Let me repeat, 55 million is chump change.

36 posted on 03/17/2009 12:33:59 PM PDT by CodeJockey (If you can read this thank a teacher, if you can read it in English thank a Soldier.)
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To: Renfield

“The ship may be there for months, and the total cost for repairs may be over $50 million.”

That’s just a few AIG bonuses.


37 posted on 03/17/2009 12:34:30 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: shotdog

Where I grew up, back in olden times, back when Noah was a shipwright, this would have been an occccasion for an Admiralty Board of Inquiry. Best the Captain could hope for was a posting as NOIC Aden.


38 posted on 03/17/2009 12:34:52 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Renfield

Our warships can probably withstand missles, but not construction debris? It was probably made in China.


39 posted on 03/17/2009 12:36:20 PM PDT by I Hate Obama
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To: Zeddicus
but I find it incredible that a warship could have been so heavy damaged from a soft grounding

Which suggests that it wasn't all that "soft" a grounding after all. It took 4 days to get the ship off the sandbar, and they beat the hell out of it trying to do so.

Sounds to me like the good captain was moving at a pretty good clip, to get it 10 feet up onto a sandbar.

40 posted on 03/17/2009 12:37:32 PM PDT by r9etb
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