Posted on 03/11/2009 6:27:20 AM PDT by Doctor13
Spanish prime minister Jose Luis Zapatero has reaffirmed that Spain will not recognise Kosovo as independent, newspapers in Kosovo and Serbia reported on March 10 2009.
"Spain's position on the unilateral declaration of Kosovo's independence is known - it is non-recognition," Zapatero was quoted as saying by Kosovo daily Koha Ditore.
"We have maintained this position and we will continue to do so in the future."
Addressing a joint news conference on March 9, Serbian president Tadic said that his country would never recognise Kosovo, which unilaterally declared itself as independent in February 2008.
"Serbia will not give up on its territorial integrity...with legal and diplomatic means, and it will never recognise the independence of Kosovo," Tadic said.
The human rights of Serbs in Kosovo were under threat, he said.
Tadic said that Serbia was very grateful to Spain for its principled stance not to recognise Kosovo, and for its support to Serbia's EU membership candidature.
Zapatero confirmed that Spain supports Serbia's European integration.
A report by Serbia's Blic Online said that Spanish foreign minister Miguel Angel Moratinos, at a meeting with his Serbia counterpart Vuk Jeremic, spoke in favor of unblocking of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement between the European Union and Serbia.
Moratinos said Spain would continue to apply pressure so that the Netherlands made possible implementation of the SAA as well as the transitional trade agreement between the EU and Serbia.
The Netherlands has been a leader in opposing the implementation of the SAA until it is satisfied that Serbia is co-operating adequately with The Hague international tribunal on war crimes in the former Yugoslavia
Too close for comfort to their Basque problem. Kosovo set a very bad precedent—for us too.
Interesting. Zapatera may be a socialist, but by refusing to recognize the independence of the muslim-saturated Kosovo he has proven he’s no Clinton or Obomba-style socialist.
Nonsense.
All they need to do is blow up one train.
Zapatero is one of the greatest dhimmi terrorist-supporters out there. The reason for his stance on Kosovo is as mentioned above, Spain’s own problem with Basque separatists.
As you can see, I didn't give him credit for very much.
He did severely chastise the communist dictator of Venezuela, but King Juan Carlos said it best to Chavez: "Why don't you shut up!"
Good for Spain!
Sometimes self-interest drives people and countries to do the right thing!
It’s not just the Basques. Although there is no violence associated with the movement, Catalonia would like to be its own country, too. There is a lot of resentment that the EU won’t recognize Catalan as an official language because it’s not the language of a member state, even though there are more Catalan speakers than there are Danish speakers.
That’s true, and as soon as Spain needs something from EU or USA they will recognize. They will use the Hague verdicts http://www.emportal.co.yu/en/news/serbia/80470.html as as escape valve: “The Basque situation is different because we didn’t unleash the army on civilians to commit crimes against humanity...”
Portugal had said “never” but they were under pressure to recognize and did so. Romania and Slovakia will recognize soon as their economy is in shambles.
Of course Serbia isn’t going anywhere in EU without recognizing Kosovo if US, France, Uk, Germany and Italy have a say. It will be an island surrounded by NATO and EU countries as Kosovo integrates with Albania. My guess is that Russia sells Serbia out the first now that they got NIS and Spain and others have to recognize a UN member.
Sorry for the repeat post on this question, I put it up on another thread just as it was trailing off—
Does anyone have details on this “Kosovo re-Christianization” plan I’ve been hearing about? I don’t have much in the way of details, but an old Serb-Canadian friend of mine, said that a large group among the millions in the Serb Diaspora— Serb-Canadians, Serb-Americans, Serbs in Britain, Serb-Australians— is organizing an effort to bring Christians from the Serb Diaspora back into Kosovo, to build churches there (throughout Kosovo) both in areas where churches were razed and otherwise.
It’s a peaceful effort, though obviously with armed guards in the more tense areas, but since the Serb diaspora in these countries still have citizenship rights in Kosovo (which is still within Serbia under international law), they have the right to build churches within Kosovo. So that’s what they’re doing. And since arrogant Britain (one of the anti-Christian leaders of the hate-Serb group in the West, right behind Bill Clinton himself), Canada and Australia (one of the early recognizers of Kosovo) are all Dhimmified already, I have no qualms about Serb Diaspora leaving them to help bring Christianity back to Kosovo. The Muslim Kosovars would be welcome in Dhimmified Britain, Canada and Australia anyway.
Also, word is it that this is one of the first examples of Serb-Croatian cooperation, since this organization (whatever its name) was founded in part by a Croat expat, who sees the threat of Muslim Dhimmitude within Kosovo— with participation also by Macedonians, Montenegrins and Bosnians.
And I also got word of two especially smart strategies to be effective:
#1 All Serb Christians moving to Kosovo are being advised to carry cell-phone cameras and handycams with them, so that whenever an Islamofascist Kosovar thug tries to attack a Serb or a church (or even attack each other— Kosovar-on-Kosovar crime has been enormous, since the place is basically a criminal narcostate), to capture it on film and post up the video. Reveals the stupidity of the fabrications that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton used to start the Kosovo War in the wake of Monica Lewinsky Blow Job-gate.
#2 Hard-core efforts to convert even many Muslim Kosovars to Christianity, which have been more effective than we thought before. If anything, the Christian Albanian Kosovars are the Serbs’ best allies in Kosovo— building their own churches and helping to defend the Serb Orthodox churches as well.
Anyway, sounds like a great idea to me, but I haven’t been able to get further details on it. Anyone here know more about this effort?
“Too close for comfort to their Basque problem. Kosovo set a very bad precedent—for us too.”
You’ve got that right. Of all the truly moronic ironies— the fledgling Aztlan state has now been given effective legal sanction by the Kosovo Precedent. The communiques of the State Department become effective US law when it comes to national recognition, and now Aztlan is effectively a real state under similar terms.
In a perverse way, I actually think this might be a good thing, since having Aztlan carved out will be the one event that will force arrogant USA elites to recognize the massive blunder of Kosovo, and supporting criminal, gun-running al-Qaeda-allied Muslims (who thanked us for Kosovo by perpetrating the September 11 attacks on the USA) against a long-suffering Christian people like this.
Sometimes, the best medicine is painful and awful, but since our neoliberal/neocon (both sides of the globalist fallacy) elites refuse to embrace common-sense, it’ll be well-deserved when they hoist themselves on their own petard.
Even the mainstream media is finally starting to put up a more balanced tack on Kosovo— since MSM media sources are rapidly facing bankruptcy, they’re coming to understand that American citizens are sick and tired of the same-old globalist PC claptrap, and won’t drink the Kool-Aid anymore as we migrate to other sources more in tune with common sense.
Frankly, I think both major parties should also be facing bankruptcy, since the old liberal/conservative and Democratic/Republican divisions don’t mean much anymore— the vast majority of the US population is essentially paleocon, isolationist and anti-globalist, and that includes the vast majority of Dems as well as us in the GOP (though deserting to the Constitution Party and others in droves). I can only hope that some sensible alternative to the morons in the major parties comes up soon that recognizes the blunder of Kosovo, and soon. A revolution might be the alternative. But I’m beginning to suspect that even our chronically moronic elites are beginning to catch onto the national mood.
This is the first I have heard about it, Javeth. Will see what I can find.
Freedom and independence are wonderful; provided you do it on your own property..... What you have in KosovO is a case of grand theft involving real estate.
Or a Bush style socialist. He was the one who first recognized Kosovo’s independence.
Those of us who come from, or now live in, the territory claimed by “Aztlan” won’t like it, no mater how pro-Serbian and anti-NWO we are!!!!
I am an “Aztlan” Anglo [equivalent to a Kosovo Serb?] living in one of the benighted Blue States.
I hope that you’re right that even the MSM is coming around to stop supporting islamic expansionism, but I do not see any signs of it.
I’m with you 100%, HS. The very fact that Kosovo has effectively become the legal basis for Aztlan just shows how incredibly stupid this self-inflicted wound is.
This of course, in addition to the obvious fact that the USA is betraying our own Christian heritage, mass-murdering other Christians in favor of Islamofascists who then used Kosovo after 1999 as one of their training grounds, of course, to launch the 9/11 attacks against us. Has there ever been such an idiotic, self-defeating foreign policy in the last century— at least, since the British destroyed themselves and toppled into bankruptcy by entering that idiotic bloodbath in WWI?
And amazing, all this because Bill Clinton wanted to wag the dog and distract from Blow Job-gate, and Hillary Clinton needed her own convenient target to look tough. (Such justice that Hillary’s blunders in the Balkans ultimately tantalized her and cost her deeply-cherished Presidential bid— hah!) With of course, GWB and Barack Hussein Obama continuing the same idiotic policy for— uh, what again?
I’m starting to think that in 25 years, when we’re either looking back on a ruined ex-superpower USA (with historians wondering how such stupidity could be prolonged among our leaders for so long) or perhaps a revolution that forces out the NWO neocons and neolibs who run both parties— if our media and elites don’t wake up— that Bill Clinton and George W. Bush will both be classed with the likes of Nero and Caligula as fools who did irreparable damage to their nations. And Bill Clinton doing it for the most selfish, corrupt, arrogant reasons.
As a follow-up— I just heard back from someone else who’d mentioned this effort (to bring Serb-Canadians, Serb-Australians, Serb-Britons and Serb-Americans back into Kosovo, construct and protect new churches, videotape any atrocities and convert Kosovars to the Christian faith).
Seems like this is an offshoot of an even earlier effort to do something for the overseas Greek and Bulgar Diasporas— encouraging Greek-Canadians, Greek-Australians, Greek-Britons and Greek-Americans to come to Greek Cyprus and help construct churches there throughout the island (since the Turks in Cyprus haven’t exactly been friendly to Orthodox Churches there themselves). Similar for those Bulgar communities to go to Bulgaria and reinforce the churches.
Obviously, the situation for Kosovo Christians is much more acute— but I figured that if there’s more info on the Greek/Bulgarian effort already out there, this might help figure out where the Kosovo Re-Christianization effort is being organized. (I still haven’t heard back from the guy who first mentioned it to me— although regardless, since this seems like a grass-roots effort anyway, we might as well help to organize branches here ourselves. Seems like an awfully smart idea.)
“Seems like this is an offshoot of an even earlier effort to do something for the overseas Greek and Bulgar Diasporas— encouraging Greek-Canadians, Greek-Australians, Greek-Britons and Greek-Americans to come to Greek Cyprus and help construct churches there throughout the island (since the Turks in Cyprus haven’t exactly been friendly to Orthodox Churches there themselves). Similar for those Bulgar communities to go to Bulgaria and reinforce the churches.”
Obviously, the overseas Greeks are welcome to do this in Greece as well. ;)
Germany, France, Great Britain and Austria would make up "Old Europe"
"New Europe" would include Estonia, Latvia, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Slovenia -- "The Catholic Zone". They suggest that Croatia belongs here, too.
The Balkan Federation is referred to as "The Orthodox Zone" and would include Greece, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, and Macedonia".
If that were to happen, can you imagine what they would be sticking the Orthodox with? Muslims, who the West has newly empowered -- a perpetual bloodbath!
Who is going to stop three million Serbs from crossing into Kosovo and reclaiming Kosovo as the heartland of Serbian Christianity?
But Boris Yeltsin, err Boris Tadich (same thing—both got their fame through willingness to sell out the country while talking tough), would never dream of making such an "undiplomatic" approach. After all, it may not win points with his EU superiors and might actually accomplish something that is in Serbia's interest, that also satisfies international justice, for a change. That is way too much to expect from the current Belgrade Quisling government.
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