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Stocks Soar on Bank Rally
Reuters ^

Posted on 03/10/2009 12:54:56 PM PDT by flyfree

U.S. stocks rose about 5 percent on Tuesday after Citigroup said it was profitable in the first two months of 2009 and a key lawmaker said he expects the restoration of the uptick rule. Citigroup's Chief Executive Vikram Pandit also said in a memo the beleaguered bank was confident about its capital strength. Shares of Citigroup, in which the government recently took a large common equity stake to help shore it up, jumped 35.2 percent to $1.42. Citi's stock has fallen about 80 percent year to date.

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To: flyfree

$180 billion of govt funds made them “profitable”

ye, I’d be profitable too.


21 posted on 03/10/2009 1:04:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: Unlikely Hero

I heard one analyst say today that the Citi report was rather misleading. His take was who couldn’t make money if you were using interest free money to loan out at a decent interest rate.


22 posted on 03/10/2009 1:04:57 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: flyfree
Wow, am I glad that's all over with. (/sarc)
23 posted on 03/10/2009 1:04:57 PM PDT by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: flyfree

Shorts are covering today. Citi scared them a little.


24 posted on 03/10/2009 1:05:27 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (I think we're gonna have another civil war.)
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To: alexander_busek
Neither - the government didn't give them a dime in the go-round, and there was no new anything on that score today. They just explained that they were earnings positive for January and February - which anyone looking at the bond market since November should have been able to tell you.
25 posted on 03/10/2009 1:05:46 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: demsux

Watch the stocks go higher and higher so Zero can look good when he makes his first State of the Union address.


26 posted on 03/10/2009 1:06:18 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: flyfree
"Barney Frank, ... said he is hopeful the Securities and Exchange Commission would reimpose the "uptick" rule in about a month."

Translation: Soros and his operatives have made as much money as they could on the downside, destroyed the economy, defeated the Republicans, instituted Fascist Socialism in the US, (through the suspension of the uptick rule), so they don't need that anymore.

27 posted on 03/10/2009 1:06:30 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: txnativegop
You believe books? With today's idiotic accounting rules?

Citi's cash flow is plus $45 billion a quarter and has been for nearly a year.

28 posted on 03/10/2009 1:06:41 PM PDT by JasonC
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You all sound like DU when Bush was in. Talking down the good.


29 posted on 03/10/2009 1:07:18 PM PDT by paul544 (3D-Joy OH Boy!!!)
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To: flyfree

Obama approval numbers are down....and Voila! The stock market soars in one day because Citi, who got a major bailout and tied to dems says they have a profit.

Now there are jobs out there too.

Problem solved.


30 posted on 03/10/2009 1:07:38 PM PDT by dforest
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To: GeronL
Would you? It isn't free, they are paying 9% on the first half of it and 5% on the second half. Also, the amounts were $25 and $20 billion. Got an income of $3.25 billion a year?
31 posted on 03/10/2009 1:08:23 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: flyfree

From the article - Bernanke wants to “improve” the Mark To Market Rule, rather than kill it.

Everybody marks to market. It’s reality and it’s also the responsible and ethical thing to do.

To not have to mark to market is simply fraud. Which is why the Democrats want to do away with the rule.

No mark to market? Who knows what a portfolio is worth? Nothing to see here, move on.


32 posted on 03/10/2009 1:09:40 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: JasonC

What else are we to believe? That the purpose of accounting, to track everything a business does monetarily. If it doesn’t work, then why use that system.


33 posted on 03/10/2009 1:09:48 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: dawn53
Yes well, that logic implies the entire banking system ought to be worth a fortune - when right now it is selling in the market for a song, instead.

He's right that you can't lose money borrowing at zero to lend at high rates to people who actually pay it back.

The conclusion, however, is that the whole "aaah, everyone will go bankrupt, we're all gonna die!" panic of the last 3-5 months was completely overblown nonsense.

34 posted on 03/10/2009 1:10:47 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: domenad
I don’t think so. If CITI was profitable, it means they can, in time, buy out the government stake, and maintain the independence (relative) of the banking structure and the threat of nationalization (hopefully). This has artificially depressed the Dow, basically because Obama’s big mouth keeps moving. Granted, if he keeps talking we’ll see another negative 200 day, but CITI’s profit may have shaken some nervousness out.

I've been actively trying to avoid total calamity in my holdings since last summer...I've seen these bumps...in this economy, they don't last.

I'm staying on the short side for now.

35 posted on 03/10/2009 1:12:12 PM PDT by demsux
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To: paul544

Same people that call one day drops the Obama stock plunge. Neither of these day to day, or even week to week fluctuations have anything to do with the chosen one.


36 posted on 03/10/2009 1:12:28 PM PDT by AUH2O Repub (Should have been Thompson/Hutchinson)
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To: JasonC

income of $3.25b?

taxpayers gave them $180 billion


37 posted on 03/10/2009 1:13:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: flyfree
“1927-1933 Chart of Pompous Prognosticators”

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/seymour062001.html

38 posted on 03/10/2009 1:13:48 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama.............................Never give up, never give in, never give out!)
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To: dawn53

Could be one last scam they are running to allow the baron class of investors to use the escape pods.

That said, hopefully this is based on real numbers and the turnaround has indeed begun. I have my doubts, though.


39 posted on 03/10/2009 1:14:05 PM PDT by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: txnativegop
I believe dollars in and dollars out. I do not believe ridiculous rules that pretend some of them are "earnings" and others are not, demand that possible losses we capitalized immediately on the worst possible assumptions of the lowest bidder, but forbid gains to be capitalized under any circumstances, etc.

On any rational accounting basis, the major banks are sound and will earn large profits in the future, in real dollars, provided only that they are not seized at gunpoint by idiots from the government.

I believe what Citi and B of A tell me about their cash flows and their breakdowns, about their charge offs and their loan loss experiences. I do not believe GAAP "earnings" crapola, mark to default accounting, projecting losses forever provisioning, pretending that liabilities that cost 2-3 are worth more than assets that pay 6-8, etc, etc, ad nauseum - in the slightest.

40 posted on 03/10/2009 1:15:42 PM PDT by JasonC
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