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Ethanol Producers Press for Higher Limits(ethanol for 15% of motor fuel)
WP ^ | 03/06/09 | Steven Mufson

Posted on 03/08/2009 1:28:40 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Eye of Unk; All

These statistics tend to favor gasoline as far as mileage comparison goes and during a 150 mile trip E85 (ethanol) averaged 13 mpg while gasoline got 18 mpg.

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4676594_ethanol-performance-compare-gasoline.html


21 posted on 03/08/2009 7:48:16 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

EAT FOOD, DON’T BURN IT


22 posted on 03/08/2009 8:23:33 AM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: LZ_Bayonet
Yep, and rots/rusts the gas tank.

Does this mean I should periodically drain my car's gas tank out on the ground?

23 posted on 03/08/2009 8:26:43 AM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Tax the rich" fails if the rich won't play)
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To: A Navy Vet
"ALL the research has shown that ethanol takes more energy to produce it than we get back. "

Not true. The majority of the studies show a positive energy return. The studies that show negative balances are all connected to a guy a Cornell named Pimentel, most authored directly by him, and a couple with one of his grad students (now a professor at another university).

And even if it DIDN'T have a net positive (which it does), it would STILL be worth doing, because most of the energy intput is NOT petroleum, but can be coal or nuclear (production of fertilizer). The fraction of PETROLEUM energy input is a tiny fraction of the total. And the result is a TRANSPORTATION fuel. So ethanol production can be viewed as equivalent to coal liquefaction, but by a different route.

24 posted on 03/08/2009 8:32:09 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: A Navy Vet

http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/BiofuelQA/Materials/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf

See third chart.


25 posted on 03/08/2009 8:39:37 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

whatta waste of corn.

increases cattle fattening and dairy feeding costs.

increases food costs—lots of foods have corn ingredients.


26 posted on 03/08/2009 8:44:03 AM PDT by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Makes as much sense as saying we're in financial trouble because we've borrowed too much and then promptly borrowing three times as much as got us into trouble in the first place!

Fools are running the country. And until their unfounded ideas for a Utopian society have run their course the rest of us will just have to hunker down and prepare for life after the fools.

27 posted on 03/08/2009 9:10:27 AM PDT by jwpjr (Sigh)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What a terrible waste of corn ethanol is...thanks a lot ADM.

Look to Brazil they did this right...the goal there was, real energy independence.

The parasite gypsy thieves at Archer-Daniels-Midland want to generate more business for themselves at the expense of the consumer under the ‘lie’ of energy independence.

Why not use trash weeds ADM? Oh that’s right...because then we wouldn’t need your ‘stuff’ would we.


28 posted on 03/08/2009 9:22:12 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: A Navy Vet

I wouldn’t buy any Pilgrim’s Pride chicken any time soon. I wouldn’t be surprised at what those workers are doing to that chicken! They were told one morning (without warning) that their jobs would end within two weeks.


29 posted on 03/08/2009 10:19:59 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: sionnsar
Yep, and rots/rusts the gas tank.

"Does this mean I should periodically drain my car's gas tank out on the ground?"

In my experience, the rust/rot comes if you leave the car sit for a while and there is condensation in the tank. Something with the water, but I'm no expert.

The gas tanks on two of my older vehicles rotted and began dripping. Just stop using ethanol blends and go back to real gasoline, especially if you have an older vehicle.

30 posted on 03/08/2009 2:55:39 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

O-boy has really assembled a gaggle of pure dumb $hits for his management team. Just my opinion, mind you.


31 posted on 03/08/2009 6:48:34 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: A Navy Vet

Wesley came out of Westpoint and was issue life-time knee pads.


32 posted on 03/08/2009 6:49:29 PM PDT by pointsal
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