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The Inflection Is Near?
New York Times ^ | March 7, 2009 | Thomas L Friedman

Posted on 03/07/2009 9:48:58 PM PST by Lorianne

Let’s today step out of the normal boundaries of analysis of our economic crisis and ask a radical question: What if the crisis of 2008 represents something much more fundamental than a deep recession? What if it’s telling us that the whole growth model we created over the last 50 years is simply unsustainable economically and ecologically and that 2008 was when we hit the wall — when Mother Nature and the market both said: “No more.”

We have created a system for growth that depended on our building more and more stores to sell more and more stuff made in more and more factories in China, powered by more and more coal that would cause more and more climate change but earn China more and more dollars to buy more and more U.S. T-bills so America would have more and more money to build more and more stores and sell more and more stuff that would employ more and more Chinese ...

We can’t do this anymore.

“We created a way of raising standards of living that we can’t possibly pass on to our children,” said Joe Romm, a physicist and climate expert who writes the indispensable blog climateprogress.org. We have been getting rich by depleting all our natural stocks — water, hydrocarbons, forests, rivers, fish and arable land — and not by generating renewable flows.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: friedman; pantload; tripe
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1 posted on 03/07/2009 9:48:59 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Firedman is a maroon...


2 posted on 03/07/2009 9:51:04 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: Lorianne
What it says is, Government needs to stop meddling in affairs that it knows nothing about, and it needs to stop incentivising corruption. P.S. Frank, Dodd, Gorelick, Raines, Johnson, et al need to be in prison.
3 posted on 03/07/2009 9:52:31 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Lorianne

Communist drivel / propaganda.

If I were a moderator, I would remove this trash.


4 posted on 03/07/2009 9:52:55 PM PST by Boucheau
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To: Lorianne

Classic Liberal “argument” tactics: “Let’s pretend that everything I want to exist actually exists, and then let’s think about everything from that point of view, without me having to defend any of it, because it’s indefensible, so instead we’ll just all assume it’s real.”

This is the DIRECT result of dumbing down of academia. Friedman knows he’s writing crap - he probably writes this junk while half drunk just to get himself to put it down in words. But he also know liberals are simply too stupid to understand that it’s a fairy story and not a legitimate argument. I don’t know who’s more disgusting - him or his target audience.


5 posted on 03/07/2009 9:58:11 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Well that’s what it SHOULD say.

Nevertheless, he has a valid point about the sustainability of economic growth (sans the environment stuff).

As a nation, we spend way above our means. Too bad he fogot to mention that that’s the plan going forward as well.

Big Government = NOT SUSTAINABLE


6 posted on 03/07/2009 10:00:00 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The liberal attitude seems to be that capitalism gave us all we have, but since it’s now hit a massive roadbump, we were wrong to follow it all along, so we have to dump the whole philosophy which gave us what we have now lost.


7 posted on 03/07/2009 10:02:53 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Behind enemy lines in Boston and Cambridge)
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To: Lorianne; All

Great comments BUMP! Why waste another moment (out of a great life) reading ANYTHING Thomas Friedman writes?


8 posted on 03/07/2009 10:03:40 PM PST by PGalt
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To: sailor4321
So is his blogger friend, who thinks we are running out of everything. The problem here is pervasive: every little birdbrain writer gets a few soundbites under his belt and suddenly he thinks he's einstein.

Friedman is especially bad about this. If you ask him, he's solved the whole world's problems several times over--then he wakes up and sees that nothing in his paltry lifetime has changed. In the middle of the night it must suck to be nothing but the Slimes's homemade writer/android.

9 posted on 03/07/2009 10:04:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: PGalt

Well the good thing is YOU DON’T HAVE TO!


10 posted on 03/07/2009 10:04:53 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
We have created a system for growth that depended on our building more and more stores to sell more and more stuff

cept internet buying reversed that trend....
11 posted on 03/07/2009 10:05:26 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama - the ethical exception asterisk administration)
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To: Boucheau

So we can and should continue to send ever more of our factories, jobs, money and technical capabilities to Communist China forever?

The trend is leading into the wall, the author refers to.

Fast.


12 posted on 03/07/2009 10:07:26 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Palin / Limbaugh 2012)
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To: sailor4321

“Friedman is a maroon...”

And don’t forget his fellow comrade Krugman...


13 posted on 03/07/2009 10:08:32 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Darkwolf377

He’s close but no cigar.

There is such a thing as over-reach. There is such a thing as living beyond your means ... spending more than you make, using more than you have.

But, unfortunately, he doesn’t translate this realty to government spending as well.


14 posted on 03/07/2009 10:08:35 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Talisker
Friedman knows he’s writing crap - he probably writes this junk while half drunk just to get himself to put it down in words

I read a feature on Tommy somewhere--maybe Atlantic or NewYorker, I don't recall now. But he is very earnest and oh so intense about the enormous importance of his 'work.' No, he might be bipolar because he just can't seem to rest, the world is waiting after all for his brilliance.

He is a true believer--in his own barf.

15 posted on 03/07/2009 10:08:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
"Government needs to stop meddling in affairs that it knows nothing about"

Like when President Osama referred to a P/E ratio as "profit/earnings ratio?"
lol!

16 posted on 03/07/2009 10:09:33 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I think you’re assuming some people actually read the article. :)


17 posted on 03/07/2009 10:10:22 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Boucheau

>>Communist drivel / propaganda.

If I were a moderator, I would remove this trash.<<

I know Jim has listed some sources that simply aren’t worth posting.. but the New York Times is so reflective of popular media bias, I think its worth at least noting and sometimes discussion their positions.


18 posted on 03/07/2009 10:11:46 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Lorianne
There is such a thing as over-reach. There is such a thing as living beyond your means ... spending more than you make, using more than you have.

The capitalist system has all the tools needed to cure what ails it. Freidman and others think we shouldn't bother with that, just toss the whole thing aside and say it was defective, and must be replaced, instead of repairing it, which is a pain.

19 posted on 03/07/2009 10:13:11 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Behind enemy lines in Boston and Cambridge)
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To: Lorianne
What if it’s telling us that the whole growth model we created over the last 50 years is simply unsustainable economically and ecologically and that 2008 was when we hit the wall — when Mother Nature and the market both said: “No more.”

What if 2008 was the year leftists finally succeeded in breaking the greatest engine of prosperity ever created?

20 posted on 03/07/2009 10:13:41 PM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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