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The first thing you do is drag him inside
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | March 7th, 2009 | John Pierce

Posted on 03/07/2009 7:46:57 PM PST by JohnPierce

I will bet good money that you have heard the advice “If you shoot an intruder on the porch, the first thing you do is drag him inside”. I have yet to meet someone who hasn’t heard this gem from an uncle, grandfather or cousin twice-removed. The person giving the advice often seeks to imbue it with authority by swearing that it was a police officer, judge or attorney who shared this sage wisdom with them.

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To: Pessimist; Domandred
“There should be only one story, and it should be yours...”

That has a lot more chance of getting you off than messing with the evidence.

41 posted on 03/07/2009 8:46:22 PM PST by Enterprise (I went to America and all I got were some DVDs and little helicopters.)
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To: Enterprise
Can't disagree. I heard all this from a cop who was a friend of my Brother years ago, long before Miami CSI.

Times change... But is is a good tale. Most people would panic and not know what to do anyway.

The one thing you always say to the Police is: I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE. And stick with it.

42 posted on 03/07/2009 8:51:53 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Since Obama Bin Lyin, the Economy Bin Dyin...)
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To: eyedigress
If you move a body and say some bogus crap you’re done.

Clean hands matter...

43 posted on 03/07/2009 8:54:23 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama needs adoration to prop up his empty suit. He's open to manipulation by professional thugs.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

The initial statement must establish to the police that one was in fear of death or great bodily harm and fired to protect their own self or others.


44 posted on 03/07/2009 8:59:42 PM PST by Enterprise (I went to America and all I got were some DVDs and little helicopters.)
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To: eyedigress

Don’t forget to spill the coffee in your lap.

(Put ice cubes in it first, so you aren’t screaming with REAL pain!)


45 posted on 03/07/2009 9:16:07 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Obama won, America's done!)
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To: JohnPierce

Good advice; Welcome to posting on FR.


46 posted on 03/07/2009 9:19:36 PM PST by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: Graybeard58
It’s called “pimping my blog”.

If it's a good blog why not?

47 posted on 03/07/2009 9:22:30 PM PST by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: JohnPierce

Maybe you pull your piece on him, march him into the house then shoot him. No inconvenient splatter out on the porch.


48 posted on 03/07/2009 9:25:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Don’t be so tough on newbies- you have no idea how long he’s been lurking or whether he’s posted under another name.


49 posted on 03/07/2009 9:31:40 PM PST by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: rintense

I had a police officer tell me the same thing.


50 posted on 03/07/2009 9:43:43 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: JohnPierce
Well, after reading all the neat advice here tonight, IMHO, the best bet is to let the perp shoot you a couple of times, stumble backwards further into the house, then hit him from both 12 GA barrels after he steps inside.

If you are unarmed, grab the phone (being careful not to let the phone slip through bloody fingers) and dial 911. Each subsequent time the illegal alien shoots you, scream invectives into the phone at the 911 busy signal.

In this manner you will be assuredly safe from all lawsuits and/or police charges. (Unless, of course, you happen to splatter blood onto the illegal scumbag. This most certainly will get you charged with some sort of "littering" or "desecration" or "human rights" crime.)

51 posted on 03/07/2009 10:36:46 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: JohnPierce
Hello there! Welcome to FR!

The laws in Texas are a bit different than those you have to contend with up there in Minneapolis. (And I'm thankful for that.) Texas has always had generous laws on this topic.

In Texas, the time of day is taken into account when a homeowner shoots an intruder. If the shooting takes place at night, a homeowner is justified in using deadly force to protect life and property. There's a well-known case --- think it was here in Austin --- of a man who leaned out of his second-story window and shot someone who was stealing his car out of the driveway. The shooter was no-billed.

In fact, if the car had been in the driveway next door, that shooter would still have been justified. In fact, if the thief had been able to get the car started, and had driven away, the shooter would still have been justified.

If someone is on my porch, say, stealing my porch furniture, I would likely call 911. If, however, the person on my porch was testing the windows, or jiggling the doorknob, they could very well be toast.

Take what happened to me a few months ago. I live in an apartment, on the second of three floors. At that time, the people above me were college students, and on Friday and Saturday nights, they would come home drunk and, at three a.m., make their way to their apartment with much drunken noise and loud talk. I'm a nightowl, and do my best work at night, so I hear them.

One Friday night, I was sitting near the door, working, at 3am, when someone jiggled my doorknob. I muted my television, and the doorknob jiggled again, this time accompanied by a fist beating on the door. (It wasn't a knock.) The fool escalated to kicking the bottom of the door, hard, and yelling to be let in, with profanity. I called the courtesy officer (a policeman who lives a couple of buildings up) and 911, and then prepared for my door to be kicked in.

Fortunately for all concerned, I was able to explain to the cretin (at the top of my lungs through the door) that he needed to go up one more flight of stairs. That, and the courtesy officer's appearance on the scene, got him out of my hair. Still, it's nice to know that I would have been able to defend my home, if necessary, without worrying about retreating from this fool.

I invite you to peruse the Texas Penal Code, Title 2, Subchapters C and D particularly.

Y'all up yonder in Minnesota need to get busy and revamp y'all's laws! <grin>

52 posted on 03/08/2009 1:40:13 AM PST by Rose in RoseBear (HHD ["All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."])
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To: freekitty
I had a police officer tell me the same thing.

Bad advice: They'll figure it out in a minute.

However, CPR should be given on a flat, comfortable surface. :)

53 posted on 03/08/2009 1:59:50 AM PST by Does so (White House uncomfortable? Sleeplessness? The 0bama will quit before 6 months are up.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

That’s difference between a shooter and a marksman.

[if he tells you how it’s done, he’ll have to kill you]....:))


54 posted on 03/08/2009 4:16:08 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.......)
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To: freekitty

It only works if you are a cop.


55 posted on 03/08/2009 7:07:28 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: Enterprise

Interesting. So maybe shoot shovel and shut up, really is the best advice.


56 posted on 03/08/2009 7:20:02 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: SERKIT

I got the cannoli reference, but a throw down piece is putatively a weapon, probably confiscated from a previous suspect, that a police officer carries in case he shoots a suspect, who later turns out to be unarmed. He throws in it down near the suspect and claims that it was the suspect’s weapon.

I remember when the kops shot a 12 year old black kid in my old neighborhood of Jamaica, Queens, they didn’t find any weapon at the scene, but subsequent “searches” turned up a vertiable arsenal. The cop was tried for, I believe, second degree murder but acquitted based on a defense of mental illness. He was sent to a mental hospital where the doctors could not find him suffering from any mental disorder, so they had to set him free.

It really wasn’t funny. The kid had accompanied his 55 year old step father to the junk yard where he worked to pick up his pay, in cash, on a Sunday morning. Sunday morning because the chances of getting robbed were less on a Sunday morning. The kid carried the money with instructions to run if they were confronted by robbers. A couple of plainsclothes cops dressed up like white pimps who were searching for suspects in a taxi robbery confronted them and yelled for them to stop. The kid took off and the cop shot him in the back. It was poor police work and he should have been convicted.


57 posted on 03/08/2009 7:22:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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To: Ditter
But for goodness sake do not bury them on your property.
58 posted on 03/08/2009 7:34:10 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (You want me to buy heavy metal? Metallica?)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I am probably the least likely person to actually shoot someone but I will try to remember that if it ever happens. LOL


59 posted on 03/08/2009 7:38:19 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: JohnPierce
Since you have not created a home page I do not know what State you live in. Today the response matters a great deal depending on what State you are in. Here in Nevada it is codified that it is in the shooters mind as to whether you were in danger or not. We had a shooting here in town about 5 years ago where a woman on the University Campus killed an indigent who approached her in a threatening manner. The DA cleared her. What it boils down to for me is if they are on my property threatening me or anyone they get plugged. No 15 miles from me in Kalifornia you would not have that freedom. If they are in the house “shoot em” I told that by the Sheriff’s head Deputy just in the last month.
60 posted on 03/08/2009 7:39:23 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (You want me to buy heavy metal? Metallica?)
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