Posted on 02/19/2009 11:41:26 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman
SaintDismas wrote: “Hmmm. Maybe that’s your sign from H.S.”
I’m still waiting for her. But I’m not sure the woman who can put up with me exists.
Neil
You do not know enough scripture to argue your point effectively. Perhaps you'll find someone with the patience to put up with your hubris long enough to educate you.
Pelosi won’t call to thank you. She’ll just use you. Against all the other citizens she’d like to dominate. I suspect she’ll ignore you, realizing you don’t know what you’re doing.
Single people can lead heroically virtuous lives. I see it in our Church of the Resurrection. So can you, if that is God’s will in your’s! (To be single, that is) You shouldn’t be so hard on yourself, the right woman will come along. Have you asked the Lord to help you with this? The reason I ask is because so many people (including myself) never seem to think of this, wow, God does and will answer your prayers.
Are you seriously arguing that my wife and I, my mother, father, and our grandparents aren't a family?
No. You'll notice in that arrangement, YOU are the children which make it a family. However, I would say looking at just you and your wife that you are not a family. You are a married couple who have the potential to become a family, through bringing new life into the world. No gay "married" couple can ever have that potential.
Hope your evening was restful.
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In order to avoid blunt-force trauma to the brain?
Judith Anne wrote:
“’Well, there goes Jeremiah 1:5.’
“You do not know enough scripture to argue your point effectively. Perhaps you’ll find someone with the patience to put up with your hubris long enough to educate you.”
Out of your own hubris you have made yourself incapable of perceiving the contradiction that if God knows someone before they’re born then human life does not initiate with, and can not be defined by, two sets of gametes forming a zygote.
The issue is not gestation of a body but when a body is capable of hosting a soul, and modernist revisionists like you who delude yourselves into thinking you’re omniscient on the interpretation of scripture don’t even know you’re taking a secular position which relies on denying the existence of the soul.
Judith Anne wrote:
“Pelosi won’t call to thank you. She’ll just use you. Against all the other citizens she’d like to dominate. I suspect she’ll ignore you, realizing you don’t know what you’re doing.”
You would be so perfect for the Taliban.
SaintDismas wrote: “Have you asked the Lord to help you with this?”
Not really. I try to limit myself to the number of miracles I ask God for every day. :-)
The last sentence just makes you another libertarian fraud and pretender. No aggression except on the weakest members of the species homo sapiens.
Pathetic.
Again, you do not know enough scripture to argue your point effectively.
And there are a lot of so-called libertarians who despise Christianity and equate Christians with the Taliban. Since you seem incapable of any meaningful discrimination, I laugh at you.
Show me the Christian who will cut off your head for converting to Islam. Show me the Christian who will throw you in jail or sentence you to death for carrying a Koran on a New York Street. Show me the Christian court that will sentence you to 40 lashes in a public square for attending a mosque.
You are a joke. Fortunately, that is no secret to the posters here.
If it is a “member” of the species homo sapiens then you’re correct. Since I hold to the original Hebrew teaching that one does not join the human race until one’s immortal soul enters the mortal body with its first intake of breath (the original meaning of the word “spirit” is “breath,” hence “inspiration” means “intake of breath,” I don’t view abortion as “aggression” any more than a hysterectomy would be. A fetus is living tissue but has no humanity until a soul enters it.
Judith Anne wrote:
“Again, you do not know enough scripture to argue your point effectively.”
You do not know enough logic to argue yours.
“And there are a lot of so-called libertarians who despise Christianity and equate Christians with the Taliban. Since you seem incapable of any meaningful discrimination, I laugh at you.”
Since I served four terms on the governing counsel of the Southern California C.S. Lewis Society, your suggestion that I despise Christianity is laughable. What is not laughable is your evil intolerance and that you have in common with the Taliban. I have no doubt that if you could burn me at the stake as a heretic you’d light the fire with demonic delight.
Whatever you are, you exhibit in this discussion none of the virtues I expect from Christians.
If the baby in the womb is not a member of the species homo sapiens, what is it? A kangaroo? Moreover, Talmud or no Talmud the baby is in fact a member of the species homo sapiens and natural rights apply to all, not just those who have decided when God ensouls us. Of course God had a slightly different opinion since He stated quite clearly that HE knew us when we were in the womb. But that's neither here nor there.
Look I have no patience for pro abortion libertarians no matter what utilitarian or religious view they use to justify the murder of human babies in the womb.
I've heard it all before. You, like so many other pro abortion libertarians, are guilty of hypocrisy at it's worst. Liberty for me and none for the weakest among us.
Congratulations.
jwalsh07 wrote:
“You’re not only pathetic, you’re a moron as well.”
Well, inasmuch as you haven’t posted a profile on Free Republic, that’s more than I know about you. The anonymity of the Internet is like too much liquor — it makes ordinarily mild and civil people loud, rude, and prone to start fights. Where’s the bouncer?
“If the baby in the womb is not a member of the species homo sapiens, what is it? A kangaroo?”
A kangaroo isn’t even a kangaroo until it emerges. Until then it is a neonate.
A butterfly isn’t a butterfly until it completes its stages as an egg, larva, and pupa.
Nobody asks why the egg crossed the road because nobody has any trouble telling the difference between a chicken and an egg.
Can you tell the difference between an acorn and an oak tree?
Only when it comes to the stages of mammalian development do certain human beings make themselves incredulous that there are obvious differences between gametes, zygotes, embryos, fetuses, and infant human beings — then get angry when someone has the ability to discern defining differences that they have made themselves blind to so they may insult and bully their neighbors who come to different conclusions.
Evidently freedom of thought plays no part in the “free republic” you want. Excuse me if I decline to join your cabal of omniscient totalitarians.
“Moreover, Talmud or no Talmud...”
Excuse me, but you don’t even know the difference between the Hebrews and the post-Diaspora Jews. The Hebrews had no Talmud.
“... the baby is in fact a member of the species homo sapiens and natural rights apply to all, not just those who have decided when God ensouls us.”
And it’s not a baby until the umbilical to the mother is severered and it breathes as an independent individual being. Until that happens it’s no more a baby than a caterpillar is a butterfly.
“Of course God had a slightly different opinion since He stated quite clearly that HE knew us when we were in the womb.”
The scriptural statement was that God knew Jeremiah even before he was in his mother’s womb — before a fleshly body has even begun to gestate for him to occupy — before biological conception.
“But that’s neither here nor there. Look I have no patience for pro abortion libertarians no matter what utilitarian or religious view they use to justify the murder of human babies in the womb.”
What statement have I made that allows you to conclude that I am in favor of abortion? I’m almost always opposed to it. But I’m not so full of myself that I would abandon my self-control to force my views on everyone else, as totalitarians like you would.
“I’ve heard it all before.”
And apparently can not learn from what you hear.
“You, like so many other pro abortion libertarians, are guilty of hypocrisy at it’s worst. Liberty for me and none for the weakest among us.”
Your view of liberty is out of Orwell — using guns and prisons to force your theological convictions on any others whose consciences guide them differently.
“Congratulations.”
I’ll take it. An insult from a Tory is the highest compliment an American can receive.
And anything I say here on FR I'd be happy to say to your face.
An unborn baby is not a member of the species homo sapiens. That is the sum total of your moronic post.
Like I said, you're pathetic and a moron.
You certainly give the governing council of the South Callifornia C. S. Lewis Society a bad name.
I looked up the Southern California C. S. Lewis Society, and did not find your anme anywhere on any of the councils, nor did I find a “governing council” link anywhere.
I did find a lot of people on the various boards and councils that weren’t located anywhere near Southern California, as well as a number of links that didn’t work but would have been pertinent to our discussion, had they. Not to mention there were a lot of links that had nothing to do with your organization.
So, it’s easy to conclude what sort of poster you are. And if it is YOU who call ME evil, I will have to consider it high praise, considering your pro-abortion stance..
Judith Anne wrote:
“I looked up the Southern California C. S. Lewis Society, and did not find your anme anywhere on any of the councils, nor did I find a “governing council” link anywhere.”
I first attended meetings of the C.S. Lewis Society of New York for five years (it met at the Anthroposphical Society offices) before moving to Southern California in 1975. Then I joined the Southern California C.S. Lewis Society when it was formed by Paul Ford (then Brother Peter, as he was living in a monastery at the time). My service to the Southern California society was in the 70’s and 80’s, before I moved back to the New York area in 1984 for about five years. I now live in Nevada. But you can find me in archived issues of The Lamppost or ask Edie Dougherty.
And only totalitarian theocrats like jwalsh07 and yourself equate a dedication to individual conscience on the philosophical question of when human rights begin with favoring abortion.
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