I Disagree with this entirely
A workplace is private property and if the owner doesn’t want guns on their private property then they have every right to ban them. Don’t like it, leave the gun home or find a new job.
OTOH, my car is my property and is often considered an extension of my home. Nobody has a right to search my car without my consent except by a warrant or by probable cause. Therefore, if I legally have a gun in my car and I lock it up when I park it, my employer has no cause to know whether or not there is a gun in my car and thus has no cause for enforcing a “no guns” policy on my car.
The company has every right to prohibit me from bringing my gun with me into the workplace, but the inside of my locked vehicle is not the workplace. My employer should not be able to prohibit me from having my legally carried firearm in my vehicle to and from work just because I have to park my vehicle on the company parking lot.
My car is NOT my employer’s property. He has NO RIGHT to:
- open or enter my car
- search himself
- remove any articles inside
- approve law enforcement to open, enter, or search
My car is my private property.
You might find this interesting reading. I think it will pass the Utah legislature next week. The Oklahoma precedent in the 10th circus will be a bonus. Out here, we hold the principle that if a place is open to the public, it is natural to assume that the public good is supported by the rights acknowledged in the state and federal constitution regarding the bearing of arms. Our teachers can legally carry arms. The mall can't prohibit concealed carry. I don't think you'd be happy here.
Maybe we live in the past... Dunno, but leaving your piece in your car while in work in an unsecured lot, private or not, certainly has no bearing on what happens in the working place. Hey, we even carry the castle doctrine to our cars... yes, lethal force is allowed in defense of attempted carjacking. Damn, next thing ya know, it'll be the wild west with blood running in the streets or (insert any other grabber-appropriate screed here)!
I suppose it would be okay for an employer to tell you that you couldn’t have a bible in your car, locked in the trunk. Or a radio, or a koran, or a candy bar, or beer, or peanut butter, or cell phone, or your insulin, or medication, or anything that they don’t think you should have. Just any old thing that they don’t want or like. No Jeeps, no potato chips, why not disallow seatbelts or airbags. Its their parking lot so who cares about safety.
OH BULL. You have no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of personal property rights for that matter. Just because you own property, does not mean that you can take someone else's right to BE SECURE IN THEIR OWN PERSON away from them. That is addressed directly in the Bill Of Rights. It's not up to you if someone can carry a firearm in their car or not. You also can't tell them to not have porn in their car or a type of music in their car or any other thing Little Napolean deems unworthy. If you are accepting a person on to your property, you are also accepting their rights as an individual. I hope more states adopt this policy and tell people like you who just don't get it to go back to school and learn something. Some people think cause they own a little bit of this or can do a little bit of that that they somehow own someone. It's not the way American was founded and it's high time this sort of total lack of understanding and respect for the Constitution was abolished.
I would never work for someone like you. Second, I don't have to, because I have options. And third, anyone who works for someone like this is an idiot who doesn't even know his/her rights on the matter, and I wouldn't want to work with them either. I can probably guess the demographics of your business, but I won't even go there, because I know some people shock too easy.
The tired old anti-gunner horse squeeze. The employees' vehicles are THEIR property, not the employer's property. Go troll someplace else
“A workplace is private property and if the owner doesn’t want guns on their private property then they have every right to ban them.”
But public roads are not private property.
Most people drive to work and home on public roads. A ban on guns in cars at the workplace is effectively a ban on guns while driving to and from work.
This is a difficult problem, but it is up to companies to make security arrangements without violating 2A rights on public roads between work and home.
Sorry. Those sort of Property rights died with the “Civil Rights” Act of 1964, as well as the “Fair” Housing Act.
Or are my rights enumerated in the forth amendment gone as well as the second? If my vehicle is on private property, do I automatically loose the right to not be subject to unreasonable search and seizure?
So by entering private property, do I loose all my rights, or just some?
If I don't like it, don't work there?
What about mail. If I have personal mail in my lunch box at work, does my boss have a right to read it? It's on private property? There may be something in it that is relevant to my ability to perform my job, or a potential threat to others?
Rights are an all or nothing proposition. I either have them or I don't. You don't get to pick and choose someone else's rights because they are on your property.
If you don't want people exercising their God given rights on your property, don't let them on your property. Because you do have the right to tell them to stay off, or leave your property if you don't like what they are doing.
But that's your choice. Respect their rights, or exercise yours by not letting them on your property.
Simple.
However, self-defense is a personal responsibility. Preventing employees from protecting themselves on their way to and from work is an unconstitutional infringement on their right of self defense. Do you want all companies to have to hire guards to protect their workers? Bet that would go over very well, too. Sorry, FRiend, but I think you're wrong on this.