[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

You cannot have the eiffel tower without foundations

However, an engineer could describe the forces operating in the aboveground part of the tower without reference to how the foundations were constructed. So they're linked, but not dependent.

[chuck_the_tv_out]

However, an engineer could describe the forces operating in the aboveground part of the tower without reference to how the foundations were constructed. So they're linked, but not dependent.

No sir that is sophistry. That is why I said "don't let them squirm out of it". Only the most preliminary plans would ignore the foundations. They present a theory which they suppose people should accept, which is fundamental to how they perceive their world, without foundations?

The theory supposes everything came from little bugs, so WHENCE THE LITTLE BUGS, sir?

It is an inherant question to the theory, and they must not be allowed to skirt it.

[tpanther]

However, an engineer could describe the forces operating in the aboveground part of the tower without reference to how the foundations were constructed. So they're linked, but not dependent.

Of course they're dependent. The tower could not be constructed without considering the foundation upon which it rests.