Posted on 02/10/2009 7:27:57 AM PST by BP2
OK, I watched it. She didn't contradict herself. She said, according to the translated subtitles, "Barrak is a son of this village".
"Son of this village" is not a typical way of expressing that someone is born there. "Son of this village" is a way of expressing that someone has roots in the village. Which he does. His father was from that village, and that would make him a "son of the village".
Because it is. Nobody disputes that.
For that program they have to go deeper than your own birth and look at your parents and their ancestry. There is more data on the long form. It says nothing about the short form not being proof of your own birth.
In fact it doesn't even say don't send it. It only says sending the long form will save you time and money.
Spin on though you are amusing me with your convoluted concatenations.
I wonder why they WON'T accept the CertificaTION of Live Birth then? They specifically state the "Certification requires additional verification by DHHL." Now, why would that be?
On the other item, under "Documents Acceptable for Proof of Citizenship", right there at item "b." it says, "Certificate of live birth, birth certificate". The COLB is a birth certificate.
The Navy Shipyard requirements are VERY specific. They are willing to accept a LOT of things:
b. Certificate of live birth, birth certificate
i. Delayed birth certificate
j. Hawaii certificate of foreign birth
k. Hospital birth certificate
... but for SOME strange reason, that pesky CertificaTION of Live Birth is NOT listed, even though it's been around since Nov 2001 and this Navy Reg was updated last in Oct 2008. I wonder why THAT is? It comes down to one word -- WITNESS. Please tell me where you see a witness listed on the CertificaTION?
But, hey, don't take MY word for it... contact Steve McHale at Homeland Defense -- (888) 464-4182. He'll clarify things for ya ;)
And you don't have to be born in Italy to join the Sons of Italy
Because it's a land giveaway program for persons of Native Hawaiian ancestry, which you need to prove.
>>> Because it’s a land giveaway program for persons of Native Hawaiian ancestry, which you need to prove.
... and ... a Hawaiian land giveaway program has a higher threshold of proof than is required for the man who holds the nation’s “Nuclear Football” and is the “leader of the Free World”...
I’m sorry... I don’t understand...
Read the whole page. It clearly explains what the program is, and what the requirements are. There's no mystery about what they need to verify. They are verifying ancestry, not just Hawaiian birth. The "further verification" is the verification beyond your own birth, your ancestry.
"Spin on though you are amusing me with your convoluted concatenations."
The convolution is your own. That site is very clear about the program and its requirements. You guys are trying to twist anything you can into supporting an idea you've already decided to believe in. That is spin.
The problem, of course, is that there’s no mechanism or documentation actually specified for Obama to prove eligibility, not to mention the whole issue of what constitutes “natural born,” while the Hawaiian land program spells out very specifically what documentation is required.
I JUST TOLD YOU WHY.
Geez. They have to verify your ancestry. Read the page. They tell specifically what they have to check for and how much of a native Hawaiian you have to be.
"... but for SOME strange reason, that pesky CertificaTION of Live Birth is NOT listed"
A "birth certificate" is listed. The COLB is A birth certificate. The term "birth certificate" is not one specific form. It is a term that applies to the forms from all jurisdictions that issue documentary proof of birth, whether it is Hawaii's, California's, or whatever. The COLB is a birth certificate for Hawaii.
Thanks for demonstrating that you are only interested in sparring points, not in the facts.
There is no evidence that Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon and Bush were/are not natural born citizens and there is no evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen.
And as far as I can tell, the people leading the Obama is not a natural born citizen conspiracy are; Phil Berg who believes that President Bush was responsible for the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks, Leo Donorfrio, who believes that black helicopters are flying over his house and Joseph Farah, who believes that pterodactyls are flying over his head.
It's par for the course for him. I showed mlo the words of two Senators who wrote the 14th Amendment specifically the words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant. He contradicted the meaning of what the those two Senators said in plain language.
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
Correct. Hawaii says they won't accept that COLB which Obama says is "his proof" of birth in Hawaii. They need more information like we do.
No it's not. Obama's COLB is nothing but a computer generated form with truncated information that is suppose to represent the birth certificate in some cases. Hawaii issues this document because it saves time and money...except Obama's COLB is a forgery.
Even with the Certificate of Live Birth the Department still wants to see certified copies of your parents' CoLB's and even grandparents' CoLB's to independently verify where they were actually born.
That is what the extra work and charges involved with the Certification are about; to fully corroborate that you actually were born in Hawaii (for starters). The Certificate lists the name of the hospital, the address of the hospital, the name of the physician that performed the delivery, etc.
I can see that. At least there’s no need to waste effort with someone who shoots their own credibility in the foot so easily.
BP
mlo: I JUST TOLD YOU WHY.
Geez. They have to verify your ancestry. Read the page. They tell specifically what they have to check for and how much of a native Hawaiian you have to be.
And he told you why mlo. He said Hawaii needs more information.
BP2: Now, why would that be?
BP2 is probably being rhetorical. However, There are two reason why Hawaii does not except that computer generated form:
1) There's not enough info on it to determine native origin, which Hawaii says plainly.
2) It's a document that can be easily forged.
Indeed. When they say it requires “further verification” it is quite obvious that they are looking for reliability not content. To say otherwise is nothing other than complete dishonesty or illiteracy.
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