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They don't change the seal designs every other month.

Why do you keep throwing up obfuscations to divert from the fact that the assertions made are based only on assumptions which have not been substantiated?

Use some common sense.

Sure.

First, the claim that the borders change every year is simply false. The border on the 2006 certificate, as seen here, is the same border used on both Obama's 2007 certificate as well as another "real" 2007 certificate, as seen here

Also, it's clear that the seal didn't change with the change in the border pattern, because the seal on the 2006 certificate is different than the seal on the "real" 2007 certificate.

While it's obvious that different certificates issued in different years used different seals, there's nothing to indicate that any change in the seal necessarily took place on January 1.

The "real" 2007 certificate has a different seal than Obama's 2007 certificate, and was released in March, just a few months before Obama's. And Obama's 2007 certificate has the same seal as the "real" 2008 certificate, which was also issued in June of that year. And without any evidence that any change in the seals took place on January 1, there's nothing to say that the same seal wasn't used between mid-year 2007 and mid-year 2008.

The issue date of the "real" 2006 certificate is not evident. However if it were released in the earlier part of 2006, then there would be no evidence against the possibility of one seal being used from mid-year 2006 to mid-year 2007, and a different seal used from mid-year 2007 to mid-year 2008.

And since you offer absolutely no substantiation for your claims, the possible scenario I lay out here is no less credible than the claims you make.

Hey, I kind of like this common sense stuff.

They only way to legitimately resolve this issues is to release the long form B.C..

You really need to learn that saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it any more true.

Why do you keep throwing up obfuscations to divert from the fact that the assertions made are based only on assumptions which have not been substantiated?

Pull your head out of your ass. If your going to make changes to the design of the state seal, then the time to do it is at the beginning of the year. New Year=new design for state seal.

While it's obvious that different certificates issued in different years used different seals, there's nothing to indicate that any change in the seal necessarily took place on January 1.

Then why do it in the middle of March...? Because they felt like it...? To help commemorate St. Patrick's Day...?

The "real" 2007 certificate has a different seal than Obama's 2007 certificate, and was released in March, just a few months before Obama's. And Obama's 2007 certificate has the same seal as the "real" 2008 certificate, which was also issued in June of that year. And without any evidence that any change in the seals took place on January 1, there's nothing to say that the same seal wasn't used between mid-year 2007 and mid-year 2008.

And if you honestly believe that, I have a bridge or two to sell you.

Look, with argument, differences between the two 2007 seals could always be accounted for by the changing of the seal design occurring after a given date. And that change could occur during any time of year. After all, there is nothing mandating that the change actually occur on "January 1st". In theory, a seal design could even last 13, 14 straight months, right? Even if both CoLB's were issued in June of 2007, that could still be accounted for change taking place in the middle of the month. After all, there's nothing that actually mandates that kind of change take place on June 1st, right...?

It's a disingenuous argument.

You really need to learn that saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it any more true.

What I say is the absolute truth. There is no justification for withholding that document at this point. I've had to provide certified copies of my "long form" birth certificate ( the version that has the name of the hospital, the address of the hospital, the name of the doctor that performed the delivery, etc.) for a variety of functions. It was no problem at all. And I've never even run for the Presidency or any other public office. Obama can easily do the same.

John McCain allowed reporters see his original hospital birth certificate (which was being kept at the DHS) when there were questions regarding his eligibility.