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Why do you keep throwing up obfuscations to divert from the fact that the assertions made are based only on assumptions which have not been substantiated?

Pull your head out of your ass. If your going to make changes to the design of the state seal, then the time to do it is at the beginning of the year. New Year=new design for state seal.

While it's obvious that different certificates issued in different years used different seals, there's nothing to indicate that any change in the seal necessarily took place on January 1.

Then why do it in the middle of March...? Because they felt like it...? To help commemorate St. Patrick's Day...?

The "real" 2007 certificate has a different seal than Obama's 2007 certificate, and was released in March, just a few months before Obama's. And Obama's 2007 certificate has the same seal as the "real" 2008 certificate, which was also issued in June of that year. And without any evidence that any change in the seals took place on January 1, there's nothing to say that the same seal wasn't used between mid-year 2007 and mid-year 2008.

And if you honestly believe that, I have a bridge or two to sell you.

Look, with argument, differences between the two 2007 seals could always be accounted for by the changing of the seal design occurring after a given date. And that change could occur during any time of year. After all, there is nothing mandating that the change actually occur on "January 1st". In theory, a seal design could even last 13, 14 straight months, right? Even if both CoLB's were issued in June of 2007, that could still be accounted for change taking place in the middle of the month. After all, there's nothing that actually mandates that kind of change take place on June 1st, right...?

It's a disingenuous argument.

You really need to learn that saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it any more true.

What I say is the absolute truth. There is no justification for withholding that document at this point. I've had to provide certified copies of my "long form" birth certificate ( the version that has the name of the hospital, the address of the hospital, the name of the doctor that performed the delivery, etc.) for a variety of functions. It was no problem at all. And I've never even run for the Presidency or any other public office. Obama can easily do the same.

John McCain allowed reporters see his original hospital birth certificate (which was being kept at the DHS) when there were questions regarding his eligibility.

Pull your head out of your ass. If your going to make changes to the design of the state seal, then the time to do it is at the beginning of the year. New Year=new design for state seal.

If you're going to change the seal every year like clockwork on January 1, then what's the point of changing the seal in the first place? If changing the seal is intended to be any sort of security measure, then why would you telegraph to any potential forgers that it changes at the first of the year?

Also keep in mind the fact that the seal used in 2006 was the same seal used in 2008, with a second seal used in 2007. If you're just going to bounce back and forth between two different seals, and do so every year on January 1, again, what's the point of changing them in the first place?

Then why do it in the middle of March...? Because they felt like it...? To help commemorate St. Patrick's Day...?

If the purpose of changing the seals is for security, then what would be the point of changing them at any one specific time on a routine basis?

But that's ultimately all beside the point. The bottom line is that it has not been established that the seal that was used for Obama's certificate could not possibly have been used on it.

When you're able to establish that beyond unsubstantiated speculations, and assumptions, let me know.

"Pull your head out of your ass. If your going to make changes to the design of the state seal, then the time to do it is at the beginning of the year. New Year=new design for state seal."

This is called an "assumption". With a little personal abuse thrown in at the begining.

The whole point of discussion is that the claim is based on assumptions. Clearly you believe the assumption is a true one, but can you not admit that it is in fact an assumption?

Does your head feel like exploding yet? MM definitely has that effect on me.