Posted on 02/04/2009 11:49:12 AM PST by patriotgal1787
Do you believe that the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was the result of shots fired by a lone assassin from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository?
Or are you one of many who believe it was a conspiracy that involved the highest levels of our government?
The case is not closed regarding what actually happened on that fateful day.
The late President Gerald R. Ford, the last surviving member of the commission admitted that the CIA destroyed pertinent documents, covering up the investigation of the assassination, in a recently published book.
Tim Miller, the book publisher who helped author the text, believes there was a conspiracy and that Ford knew even more than he told his publisher and the world. Ford shares many other breath-taking admissions with the reader in this, his final book, written three years prior to his own death.
What did Ford say about the "single bullet theory," the Zapruder film, and Oliver Stone’s movie, JFK?
"Who killed John F. Kennedy?"
Tim Miller joins us to discuss tonight at 9 p.m. ET -- link to the show here.
Yes I've seen the photo. There are similarities for sure.
Isn’t this about the point in the thread that somebody posts the picture of Billy Lovelady?
Yep. Ruby was full of himself. Always the showman and wanting to be the center of attention.
Ha...I think your right about that...From what I recall wasn’t Lovelady a dead end?
In the end it is all numerology. You heretic!!!! :-)
Here is the Autopsy with photos, argue with these people. The first shot got Kennedy in the neck from rear to front. The next shot got Kennedy in the right temple from front to rear. Kennedy was sitting on the right side of the car. The bullet was not a ricochet, unless it was a curve ball. There is also a .45 cal bullet wound into the right side of the head above the ear, explain that. So says the pathologist who conducted the autopsy.
Sorta difficult to argue with the autopsy isnt it?
Can you give a cite on that point?
Here is the autopsy with photos, argue with this.
Here is the autopsy with photos, argue with this.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/Issues_and_evidence/Frontal_shot(s)/Tobias_frontal_shots/Tobias—Ballistics_Findings.html
Here is the autopsy with photos, feast on it.
Here's what's puzzling me. That article was not written by J J Humes CDR, MC, USN, 497831, Chief of Pathology at Bethesda, who conducted the real autopsy. Nor is he referenced in the article.
You can explain? Go.
Funny!
These threads just ain't what they used to be.
It's important to keep in mind what a witness can tell you, and what they can't. A witness can only relate their recall of their perceptions. They can't necesarily tell you what really happened, and they certainly can't tell you something beyond what they can perceive with their senses.
Because of the nature of perception and memory, witness testimony is the weakest form of evidence there is. But even when a witness has perfect recall, they can still only tell what they perceive.
A witness may perceive two sounds close together. They can't know the sounds are due to individual gunshots. There are other possible explanations. One of which is that the sense of time can be distorted in a sudden shock. Anyone that's been in an accident can tell you that.
"John Connally says the force of the bullet bent him over (seen AFTER Kennedy’s head shot)"
It is your interpretation that a bullet hit him after the head shot. It is much clearer that he was hit at 223 when the bullet bulges out his jacket and after striking his wrist causes the hat in his hand to fly up in front of his face.
"Nellie says John Connally turned to look over his shoulder and then was hit."
Which he does before 223.
"What started me on this review several years ago was the fact that several Parkland Doctors talk about the large wound in the back of JFK’s head. It is simply not credible to believe these Doctors and Nurses lied or were simply mistaken. It happened like the witnesses said it did, not what a corrupt government came up with."
Witnesses do not trump xrays and photos and pathologists. However, there are explanations that bring all this into synch. The autopsy documents that the back of the skull was fragmented and there were sections of bone held on just by flaps of scalp. One in the rear was likely loose in the emergency room, then placed into position for the autopsy examination.
Sure.
"Connally, for reasons that are still in dispute, was absolutely insistent upon holding the luncheon at the new Trade Mart, near the airport along the Stemmons Freeway. Kennedy and O'Donnell wanted to hold it at the Women's Building, near the Fairgrounds. The Secret Service concurred, believing that the Women's Building would be easier to secure. Connally perhaps wanted to limit the size of the crowd, excluding as many of Yarborough's supporters as he could. Yarborough pushed for the larger Women's Building. In the event, Connally got his way, threatening to pull his support if the Trade Mart was not chosen. O'Donnell felt he had no choice but to go along.(12)"12 Reston, p. 642 (excerpt from Jerry Bruno's diary)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dallas.txt
His rifle, with his prints on it, was found on the sixth floor.
His prints were found on boxes making up the sniper's nest.
A homemade paper bag the right size to conceal the rifle was found on the sixth floor with his prints on it.
He was seen in the window during the shooting by witnesses on the ground. A description based on statements from those witnesses went out over the radio and matched Oswald's description.
He lied about where he was at the time when questioned.
All you are doing is selecting the things you don't want to believe and calling them "garbage", because you don't want to believe them. That's not how to find the truth.
Calling Bugliosi and Posner garbage while calling the majority of the 2,000 others objective just proves the point. There is no reasoning with someone who approaches the case like this.
"And I do understand that our ‘House’ concluded there was probably a conspiracy in the JFK case, with extreme pressure being put on them to obstruct evidence."
There was no pressue to obstruct evidence.
Regarding the House's conclusion, you better look at it closely. They decided that Oswald fired three shots from the sixth floor, hitting Kennedy and Connally. Exactly as the Warren Commission said. At the very end, based on an isolated and questionable piece of evidence, they tacked on a supposed fourth shot that missed everything and for which there has never been any other evidence.
That extra shot was added based on an acoustic analysis of noise on a DPD radio recording and was later debunked by a panel of the National Academy of Sciences.
Huh? None of the pathologists found a .45 cal bullet wound to the side of the head.
I can tell you they told us all you report, but most people did not buy it back then no matter how much the media tried to convince us it was so.
He was very conservative when compared to Johnson. For instance...Kennedy supported tax cuts... at the worst he likely would be a liberal Republican by todays standards.
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