Posted on 02/04/2009 11:49:12 AM PST by patriotgal1787
Do you believe that the November 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was the result of shots fired by a lone assassin from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository?
Or are you one of many who believe it was a conspiracy that involved the highest levels of our government?
The case is not closed regarding what actually happened on that fateful day.
The late President Gerald R. Ford, the last surviving member of the commission admitted that the CIA destroyed pertinent documents, covering up the investigation of the assassination, in a recently published book.
Tim Miller, the book publisher who helped author the text, believes there was a conspiracy and that Ford knew even more than he told his publisher and the world. Ford shares many other breath-taking admissions with the reader in this, his final book, written three years prior to his own death.
What did Ford say about the "single bullet theory," the Zapruder film, and Oliver Stone’s movie, JFK?
"Who killed John F. Kennedy?"
Tim Miller joins us to discuss tonight at 9 p.m. ET -- link to the show here.
It was definitely the Dalai Lama. You forgot to allow for the Coriolis Effect, Dumkopf! It is posters like you who cause FR to lose respeck amongst intelectuals like Michael Medved.
Kindly return your foil chapeau to the Moderator. We know where your pets live.
Agree with all of your points - there’s a youtube video of a journalist who swears he saw Ruby at Parkland on Nov. 22. Later the Warren Commission insisted that the journalist was mistaken and he obviously was confusing what he thought he saw with what he actually saw. Or something like that. But the journalist says that he knows what he saw and he saw Ruby? Does that prove anything? Obviously not. But I tend to agree with you that Ruby is a key player and the stated reasons for doing what he did don’t really add up.
You have to keep in mind that the case was pretty conclusively solved within days of it happening. By the time LBJ formed the Warren Commission it was already clear that Oswald did the shooting.
Ha! That's what they want you to believe. The "staged moon landing" was *faked*! They want you to think that the moon landing never happened, so they faked the stage shots and photographic anomalies. When in fact, there were several *secret* moon landings taking place at the exact same time as the staged, televised ones! Why, you ask? Because, I answer, they wanted to hide the fact that there were no secret alien bases on the moon, because *that* was the reason for the secret funding of the real moon landings which were covered up by the staged fake moon landings to hide the secret real moon landings.
See, it all makes sense once you hold in enough smoke.
Hard to believe the goverbnor would personally pick the route for a motorcade. Approve maybe, select, no.
History or Discovery ran tests of Oswald’s steps during and after the assassination. Including walking across the floor and down to the break room. It all worked out. I don’t believe the lone gunman,. But I believe that Oswald could have done what was alledged or at least he had time to.
Would not stand up in court, and very unlikely he did use the stairs as it was a short period of time he had to use them. And the people using them didn’t see anyone.
***Witnesses not seeing him doesn’t mean he didn’t use the stairway.***
After the officials visited Oswald in the morgue he had ink on his body, not disputed. The Official story would not hold up in court.
***There is no evidence fingerprints were added later.***
Your behind on your research, there is plenty. There is more known about Oswald in the year 2009 than JFK or anyone else involved. More has come out on Oswald recently, one example being the 700+ page book written by his mistress who spent most of her time with him in New Orleans in 63. She was privy to his ‘Intel’ assignments in detail. People just don’t realize what info is out there, suggest search keywords on Amazon. There is weeks worth of reading available to anyone interested.
***There’s no evidence he had any “Intel orders” to do anything.***
I show that there is more than enough information for any reasonable person to see it, understand that people heard it AND that you don’t have to believe incredible violations of simple physics. The last two shots were BANG-BANG.
NONE of the things shown in this simple YOUTUBE video PROVES anything but there is more after this simple introduction:
three witnesses say the last two shots were BANG-BANG two shots fired very close together (there are more who heard the two shots close together).
John Connally says the force of the bullet bent him over (seen AFTER Kennedy’s head shot)
Nellie says John Connally turned to look over his shoulder and then was hit. Sit in your seat and imagine you have an exit wound in your chest the size of a baseball (a few inches of his rib was blown away). It’s ridiculous to think he turned with his back/chest/right arm wound with this turn that took over 5 seconds BEFORE he is bent over.
What started me on this review several years ago was the fact that several Parkland Doctors talk about the large wound in the back of JFK’s head. It is simply not credible to believe these Doctors and Nurses lied or were simply mistaken. It happened like the witnesses said it did, not what a corrupt government came up with.
Connally’s head snaps downward starting at Z325, faster than anyone could move, that marks the point the bullet hit him in the back (this has never been documented before that I am aware of). Do the math, there’s enough momentum in the bullet to knock him over like this IF most of the momentum was transferred to him (same when Kennedy is knocked backwards on the head shot).
You think automatically that it couldn’t be this easy, the biggest “mystery” in history? You’ll find out that it’s not a mystery, it’s been a SECRET.
This lie is going to die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8_kIDP4EQ0
When I was a young lad of about 10, I would race my Aunt's elevator by using the stairs. She was on the third floor. I could beat her going down, but up, the elevator beat me about half the time. This was a matter of 15 seconds, or less, for a 10-year-old to go three flights. For Oswald to go 4 flights down, would likely be no different. Also, going down, I was rarely out of breath or sweating. Going up? Different story.
But competent enough to take over control of most banks, lending institutions and competent enough to aid and abet a violent illegal invasion of our country by millions, while forcing law abiding citizens to subsidize their own demise...All in broad day light.
Naw, never happen.
Wrong, Dog. The shots were all under 100 yards, and in a straight line going away. Think Bubba dead drunk in a deer stand. Piece of bloody cake.
The Carcano, which many of us utes owned in Ye Bad Olden Days, because for $20 you could have one sent to your house along with 100 rounds of corrosive primer 6.5 X 52 WWII (or earlier) fmj ammo. Cheap and cheaply made.
Cleaned up, this crappy-looking thing shot fast, and slick, and believe it or not, it was pretty accurate ... beer bottle at 50 yds with open sights ... no problem.
Plus, when you ran out of the funky round nose bullets, it could be used to prop open garage windows
That much is known. The rest of this are allegations made in the article. Jackie did not get along with the rest of the Kennedys, as they were only one generation away from bootlegging, had mob connections, and we know about the various scandals, rapes, drugs, etc., that went on with the family. She had a choice. Go into the Kennedy family, or find another rich guy.
She married Onassis shortly after Bobby was assassinated, and she desperately feared for the life of her children. She was close to Bobby (there are rumors he banged her a few times.)
Onassis was rich, but needed a trophy wife, Jackie needed someplace to get her kids where they wouldn't be the target of assassination attempts. A rich guy that owned islands was a perfect choice.
Well he did. Or a least he had his dog with him when he got the impluse. No planning to the shot.
I did, and I couldn’t make the shot. But then again I don’t shoot. On the other hand, from the Grassy Knoll, I could have done it with a slingshot.
That's not what I said. The route was determined by the destination. It was a choice between two, in different parts of town. The governor pressured for the one that was chosen, and that determined the route.
What wouldn't stand up in court? You made the claim about him not being able to use the stairs, it's that claim that has to stand up or not. There were no people using the stairs at the time. He could have, and did, easily made it to the break room.
"Your behind on your research, there is plenty. There is more known about Oswald in the year 2009 than JFK or anyone else involved. More has come out on Oswald recently, one example being the 700+ page book written by his mistress who spent most of her time with him in New Orleans in 63. She was privy to his ‘Intel’ assignments in detail. People just don’t realize what info is out there, suggest search keywords on Amazon. There is weeks worth of reading available to anyone interested."
You need to understand that there's been a lot of garbage written about this case. Just because you can read some stuff in a book doesn't mean it is true. All those conspiracy books make crap up, or repeat old crap that someone else made up. The actual evidence is often completely different than what the conspiracy books tell you it is.
We still don't have a witness that saw Oswald use the elevator or stairs. Excuse my Perry Mason approach to evidence.
BTW, did anyone listen to the radio show in the original posted link? It was an informative.
***When I was a young lad of about 10, I would race my Aunt's elevator by using the stairs. She was on the third floor. I could beat her going down, but up, the elevator beat me about half the time. This was a matter of 15 seconds, or less, for a 10-year-old to go three flights. For Oswald to go 4 flights down, would likely be no different. Also, going down, I was rarely out of breath or sweating. Going up? Different story.***
From the ricocheting bullet which cracked the armourglass windscreen as it bounced off.
Yes I was just ricocheting above. There was no right side foreward hit. That was an exit wound.
I was the all comers champion shooter for our gun club the only time I competed, I didn’t win the prize because I neglected to list four hits on steel turkeys and after cards were turned in they could not be altered. But I did have the most hits and by three.
I think I could have made the shot but it is not by any means easy, and any one who says it is, is either lying, fooling himself, or a superior shot. One thing which stuck in my mind was when the FBI was testing the rifle, they discovered the scope was not zeroed very well. If he hit it was by luck. Of course that doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. I think he did but it was sheer luck.
***He could have, and did, easily made it to the break room.***
IMO, In the order of ‘garbage’ written on the JFK case here's how I rate them from worst first.
1.Warren Commission
2.Mainstream Media
3.Websites repeating the ‘official Story’, some being govt disinformation
4. Of the 2000+ books written there are a few garbage books like Posner & Bugliosi, and others, but the majority are objective (one can tell by how they are written). Most honestly written books on the JFK case usually cover a micro investigation of some facet of the event, or post info. Rarely do they disagree on the basic established facts of the research community which BTW includes liberals & conservatives mutually working towards an answer.
And I do understand that our ‘House’ concluded there was probably a conspiracy in the JFK case, with extreme pressure being put on them to obstruct evidence.
***You need to understand that there's been a lot of garbage written about this case. Just because you can read some stuff in a book doesn't mean it is true. All those conspiracy books make crap up, or repeat old crap that someone else made up. The actual evidence is often completely different than what the conspiracy books tell you it is.***
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