Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

This is why registration of guns or owners is so anti-constituitonal. The gun owners only need to do nothing, and they have become criminals. Even if they take the proper steps, and the *state* fails to do the paperwork, they become criminals. Becoming a criminal is the default state, once registration is enacted.
1 posted on 02/04/2009 3:45:55 AM PST by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: marktwain
Gun owners can't go shooting, can't go hunting, can't buy ammo, and can't legally own a gun

WTF? That is ridiculous and can't be constitutional.

2 posted on 02/04/2009 3:51:48 AM PST by doodad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

As the saying goes, you can’t control free men, so you have to turn everyone into a criminal.


3 posted on 02/04/2009 3:53:18 AM PST by thecabal (Keep The Change)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Yet another reason why I refuse to live in or visit the People’s Republic of Stalinois.


4 posted on 02/04/2009 3:54:25 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

The red tape and difficulties could very well be by the design of a self righteous bureaucrat with an attitude.

Illinois has always been hostile to firearms ownership. I’m so glad I left that sorry excuse for a state years ago.


5 posted on 02/04/2009 4:03:10 AM PST by AIM-54
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

My son and I have been waiting four months for our C.C.W. license.
Course the damn state of Florida cashed our checks in three days.


6 posted on 02/04/2009 4:09:15 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

We had some Circuit Court judges here in VA that were holding up CCW permits the same way. We got a law passed saying if the permit wasn’t issued in 45days then a certified copy of the permit application will be acceptable as a defacto permit until the application is approved or denied (within 90 days of application date by law).


7 posted on 02/04/2009 4:27:20 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

IMO, the whole FOID notion is unconstitutional. The Second Amendment is really very clear. FOID represents another path of infringement, and is susceptible to abuse/negligence as demonstrated in this article. If the issuing authority is unable (by design or happenstance) to complete the timely ‘renewal’ the unfortunate firearm owner is placed in the position of breaking the law, not by his own hand.

This kind of interference in the people’s lives is absurd.


8 posted on 02/04/2009 4:27:47 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
The state's tardiness leaves some otherwise law-abiding firearm owners vulnerable to criminal charges because FOID cards often expire while the state police are still processing renewals.

The Illinois State Police agency is required by law to process FOID applications within 30 days. But the process is taking up to 60 business days, according to agency spokesman Lt. Scott Compton.

"Gun owners can't go shooting, can't go hunting, can't buy ammo, and can't legally own a gun. They're caught in a problem with the state police not complying with their own law," said Richard Pearson of Chatsworth, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association.

Under certain scenarios an otherwise law-abiding gun owner without a valid FOID card could be charged with a felony punishable by up to three years in prison, said Todd Vandermyde, a Springfield lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.

Even people who keep guns locked away in their homes while they await their FOID renewal are in technical violation and can be charged with a misdemeanor.

This is why registration of guns or owners is so anti-constituitonal. The gun owners only need to do nothing, and they have become criminals. Even if they take the proper steps, and the *state* fails to do the paperwork, they become criminals. Becoming a criminal is the default state, once registration is enacted.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

Mark

12 posted on 02/04/2009 5:27:20 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
I sent my FOID renewal in 8 weeks before it was to expire.

I got it back from the Illinois State Police 1 week AFTER it expired. A buddy at worked waited 62 days for his.

And while IL law says it 'shall' be processed within 30 days, absolutely NO penalties are attached to that law. Therefore the ISP can take however long they please without fear of any legal penalty.

So what good is there stupid Law?

L

17 posted on 02/04/2009 5:55:17 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
Even if they take the proper steps, and the *state* fails to do the paperwork, they become criminals.

And not just a criminal but a felon!

Going through life with felony convictions closes a lot of doors, not to mention a felon can't possess a gun anywhere, in any state!

19 posted on 02/04/2009 6:33:56 AM PST by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
"Gun owners can't go shooting, can't go hunting, can't buy ammo, and can't legally own a gun. They're caught in a problem with the state police not complying with their own law,"



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
24 posted on 02/04/2009 7:26:28 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
"Gun owners can't go shooting, can't go hunting, can't buy ammo, and can't legally own a gun. They're caught in a problem with the state police not complying with their own law,"



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
25 posted on 02/04/2009 7:26:42 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Someone please tell me, did the states have FOID’s at the founding of this country in the 1700’s? No?

In the 1800’s? No?

Early 1900’s? No?

Someone please explain to me how this is Constiutional. What part of “shall not be infringed” is ambiguous?


26 posted on 02/04/2009 7:37:59 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

I guess I should send mine in soon, it expires in 2012!


27 posted on 02/04/2009 7:38:44 AM PST by KEVLAR
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain; All

Everyone who is not already a member needs to join the NRA and the GOA!


28 posted on 02/04/2009 7:40:17 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Thank God I live in Texas and away from idiot states like this.


30 posted on 02/04/2009 7:43:13 AM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Head shots.


32 posted on 02/04/2009 10:55:37 AM PST by Darwin Fish (God invented evolution. Man invented religion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

can’t legally OWN a gun?

is that desk jocky smoking in the evidence locker?!!!!!!


33 posted on 02/04/2009 11:20:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson