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CO2, Temperatures, and Ice Ages
Watts Up With That? ^ | 30/01/2009 | Frank Lansner

Posted on 02/02/2009 8:58:29 PM PST by neverdem

Guest post by Frank Lansner, civil engineer, biotechnology.

(Note from Anthony - English is not Frank’s primary language, I have made some small adjustments for readability, however they may be a few passages that need clarification. Frank will be happy to clarify in comments)

It is generally accepted that CO2 is lagging temperature in Antarctic graphs. To dig further into this subject therefore might seem a waste of time. But the reality is, that these graphs are still widely used as an argument for the global warming hypothesis. But can the CO2-hypothesis be supported in any way using the data of Antarctic ice cores?

At first glance, the CO2 lagging temperature would mean that it’s the temperature that controls CO2 and not vice versa...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; catastrophism; climatechange; co2; glaciation; globalwarming; iceages; joekirschvink; snowballearth; temperatures; truepolarwander
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1 posted on 02/02/2009 8:58:29 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
It is generally accepted that CO2 is lagging temperature in Antarctic graphs.

Therefore, temerature is not a function of CO2, The inverse is true.

Indeed, warmer temperature result in more plant growth witch supports more animal and human activity, which results in....more CO2

2 posted on 02/02/2009 9:06:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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witch=which


3 posted on 02/02/2009 9:11:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Whatever happened to “save the trees”?

LOL!!!


4 posted on 02/02/2009 9:19:24 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

More C02 does save the trees!


5 posted on 02/02/2009 9:22:22 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Therefore, temperature is not a function of CO2, The inverse is true.

May be. CO2 levels seem to rise as temperatures rise, and fall when they drop. Notice there are drastic differences in temperature for the same CO2 levels.


6 posted on 02/02/2009 9:43:10 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

Perhaps the largest CO2 sinks on the planet, “the oceans” do not respond to absorption and release of CO2 in a linear rate


7 posted on 02/02/2009 9:46:36 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Doe Eyes
"Phlbtttt! Eggheads? Who needs 'em?"


8 posted on 02/02/2009 9:49:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Doe Eyes

You ever notice a soda loses its fizz quickly as it warms?

I bet it’s ability to absorb CO2 as it cools is at a lesser rate.

I propose a federal grant, that I may research this phenomena!


9 posted on 02/02/2009 9:55:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Therefore, temerature is not a function of CO2, The inverse is true.

That conclusion is not logical; it is a non-sequitor. Never in the past have we had such an artificial forcing of CO2 into the atmosphere. It could be that carbon dioxide and temperature are in quasiequilibrium, and we are forcing the system with the addition of CO2. Look up Le Chatelier's Principle for examples of such systems.

IF you lower the temperature of a glass of water in a freezer, it will freeze...the ice follows the temperature drop. But that doesn't mean you can't add ice to water to drop its temperature. An artificial addition can reverse the system.

Also, have Monnin, Indermuhle, or Cuffey considerations/corrections been applied to these data for this analysis?

10 posted on 02/02/2009 9:57:14 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

What did I say about eggheads?


11 posted on 02/02/2009 9:59:19 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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12 posted on 02/02/2009 10:10:29 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

bump


13 posted on 02/02/2009 10:12:47 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: mylife
Therefore, temerature is not a function of CO2, The inverse is true.

Not necessarilary; it appears that you've never heard of thiotimoline, or its even rarer but still active form, thiotimoline carbonate, have you?

Issac Asimov wouldn't have published scientific papers about it, if it weren't true, would he?

Thiotimoline

14 posted on 02/02/2009 10:13:06 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (I've never been so warm as when I'm freezing!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 02/02/2009 10:14:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem

As the oceans cool as we now know is happening, the oceans will absorb more CO2. Funny. I seemed to have wrote this very sentence a year back or so at this site.


16 posted on 02/02/2009 10:20:17 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: neverdem

BTTT


17 posted on 02/02/2009 10:25:04 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: ApplegateRanch

I knew a fellow who insuflated Thiotimoline at a party once. He didn’t know if he was coming or going, and started rambling on about his past and future... Heard he got totally lost in his past and never returned.


18 posted on 02/02/2009 11:17:50 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider
Heard he got totally lost in his past and never returned

Moral: Never ride the subway in Boston, if your name is Cahrley!

19 posted on 02/02/2009 11:25:56 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (I've never been so warm as when I'm freezing!)
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To: Doe Eyes

Hysteresis is not uncommon in nature, but don’t make a common error—forgetting that what was measured was a proxy variable. Temperature wasn’t measured directly, so other variables come into play...such as ice coverage, etc. And these are only the beginnings of considerations.


20 posted on 02/03/2009 12:05:23 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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