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To: Gondring

You have repeatedly indicated you are for embryonic stem cell research. Embryonic stem cell research kills embryos, therefore you must be for it.

All your links regarding the research are pie in the sky...someday, maybe, somehow... and you seem to think they exist today. They don’t. The reality today is the embryonic stem cells are only harvested by killing the embryos. The other reality today is that they have done no good for anyone.

You are the dishonest one who believes the fantasy that may or may not be the future and ignores the reality of today. That is support for killing embryos, whether you want to admit it or not.


325 posted on 02/08/2009 5:15:18 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
This research will not result in a single embro's destruction. That is here, today, right now.

Are you just trolling, or are you really unable to grasp that concept? Are you being dishonest, or do you really not understand the research being conducted?

Again, for the -nth time, NOT A SINGLE EMBRYO WILL BE DESTROYED FOR THIS RESEARCH.

If you think there is, please explain exactly how you claim that will happen. And if you honestly do not understand what is going on with this research, please re-read the article and ask if you don't understand. I fear that misleading propaganda is giving you a distorted view.

There are millions of embryonic stem cells that have been subcultured (reproduced) from the originally obtained cells. NO embryos need to be destroyed for this research, as the original cells have been subcultured in vitro over several passages ("generations").

So with no deaths--but the potential of saving lives--this is the Pro-Life path. Fighting it is pro-death.

326 posted on 02/09/2009 12:25:42 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
Here's what happened after the initial cells were harvested more than a decade ago, from NIH website...
Over the course of several days, the cells of the inner cell mass proliferate and begin to crowd the culture dish. When this occurs, they are removed gently and plated into several fresh culture dishes. The process of replating the cells is repeated many times and for many months, and is called subculturing. Each cycle of subculturing the cells is referred to as a passage. After six months or more, the original 30 cells of the inner cell mass yield millions of embryonic stem cells. Embryonic stem cells that have proliferated in cell culture for six or more months without differentiating, are pluripotent, and appear genetically normal are referred to as an embryonic stem cell line.

Once cell lines are established, or even before that stage, batches of them can be frozen and shipped to other laboratories for further culture and experimentation.


327 posted on 02/09/2009 12:30:20 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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