The only verification of birth that the state of Hawaii issues is the Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted a photoshopped copy of on the web. The state of Hawaii does not issue long form Certifications
That turns out to be wrong. The state itself requires a long form certificate for purposes of the Hawaii Lands program, and the US State department does likewise under certain conditions.
The long form just takes longer to get, because someone has to drag out the file and xerox it, and then stamp the copy with the state seal.
From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands site
Primary Documents
The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:
* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,
including testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.
You will need the certified birth certificates for:
* Yourself
* Your biological father; and
* Your biological mother
The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically).
If your biological parents’ documents don’t clearly prove that you have at least 50 percent Hawaiian ancestry, you will also need certified birth certificates for:
* Your biological father’s parents; and
* Your biological mother’s parents.
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
Please note that DOH no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.
So they will issue one. And they’ll issue one for other purposes as well. Nice talking point, but it’s wrong.
Cite?
Obama has presented that.
Cite?
The only legitimate legal question is whether or not the documentation that he has presented is forged or fraudulent.
Cite?
[With all due respect, etc.]
That is irrelevant. You made the statement that Hawaii only issued the short form certificate, I showed that they *will* issue the long form if requested. It just takes longer to get.
But the short form may not contain all the information to determine "Natural Born" citizenship, just as it does not contain sufficient information to prove sufficient native Hawaiian ancestry. The long form contains more information on the parents, such as their place of birth as one example. One thing that even the long form doesn't show (the early 60s version anyway) is parent's nationality/citizenship.
The fact that the state department won't accept the short from, *under some conditions*, also indicates that it contains insufficient information, for *some* purposes. While they will normally accept the Hawaiian short form, they do not accept those of a few states. For example they won't take California's because it shows the place of registration as the place of birth. Hawaii's is relatively easy to file for a non hospital birth. The long form would show whether the birth was "at home" or "at a hospital". Even in '61, given the socio economic position of the Dunhams, an "at home" birth would be very unusual, whereas in the 1920s it would not have been unusual at all in much of the country. AFAIK, both of my parents were "at home" births. The hospital I was born in had it's first birth just a few years before mine, even though it had been around for several decades at that time.
BHO's situation is quite unusual for someone his age. That is a birth to a foreign father. He is probably the first president to have a foreign citizen father since, well Chester Arthur, and he hid the fact, and was not elected as President, but rather as VP, (yes I know VP has to be eligible too, since the 12th amendment (1804), well before Arthur's time). But even Arthur's father had been permanent resident for some time before his birth and continued to live in the US afterwords. BHO Sr, was presumably on a student visa, and only lived in the US until he got his Master's degree, then it was back to Kenya and his other wives (one of which was another American woman who he met while at Harvard). Like Obama, Arthur took the oath of office twice.
All other Presidents, since Martin Van Buren, have had US Citizen fathers. (MVB was born under the Articles of Confederation in 1782, so he qualified both under "natural born" and "citizen of the US at the time of the adoption of this Constitution" as was Zachary Taylor (1784).
The only proof of native born citizen status that McCain, Obama, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney or any other candidate needs to show is an official document issued by a state which lists a place of birth and a date of birth. PERIOD. Obama has presented that. The only legitimate legal question is whether or not the documentation that he has presented is forged or fraudulent. A subpoena for the original document and a comparison to his document should clear that up rather quickly. I’m surprised that no such subpoena has ever been issued.
So am I, but since it hasn't, that why I made the statement that no one has actually checked on his eligibility.
However McCain could not present such a certificate, because he wasn't born in a US state. He does have a certificate, and his shows him to be the son of two American Citizens, which is probably enough to be considered a Natural Born Citizen. I say probably, because no court has directly addressed the criteria for being a Natural born citizen. This is not surprising, since the situation could only have come up with regards to Chester Arthur, had the fact that his father was not naturalized until after he was born been revealed before he became VP. There actualy was a document that would have revealed this, although it was not birth certificate, such did not exist in the modern sense in those days, but rather a naturalization certificate of his father, dated about 14 years after Chester's birth.
But it has come up in the case of Barack Hussein Obama, yet no court so far has seemed to want to touch the issue with a 10 meter pole.