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To: jamese777
The only verification of birth that the state of Hawaii issues is the Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted a photoshopped copy of on the web. The state of Hawaii does not issue long form Certifications

That turns out to be wrong. The state itself requires a long form certificate for purposes of the Hawaii Lands program, and the US State department does likewise under certain conditions.

The long form just takes longer to get, because someone has to drag out the file and xerox it, and then stamp the copy with the state seal.

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands site

Primary Documents

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:

* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,
including testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.

You will need the certified birth certificates for:

* Yourself
* Your biological father; and
* Your biological mother

The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically).

If your biological parents' documents don't clearly prove that you have at least 50 percent Hawaiian ancestry, you will also need certified birth certificates for:

* Your biological father's parents; and
* Your biological mother's parents.

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Please note that DOH no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.

So they will issue one. And they'll issue one for other purposes as well. Nice talking point, but it's wrong.

53 posted on 01/25/2009 11:59:26 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
A copy of the BC is required to play high school sports, to join the local Canoe Club as well as get a driver's license.

My son was born here and I had to go through all of the above. Also, the photostat copy that was required had to be date stamped and verified with the Registrar's signature. I never got a Certificate of Birth for my son that looked like the one that was published by Obama.
54 posted on 01/26/2009 12:10:37 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: El Gato

I did not realize that Obama was claiming to be a “native” Hawaiian and applied for the Home Lands Program.


57 posted on 01/26/2009 12:33:27 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: El Gato

This is to prove Hawaiian ancestry.


78 posted on 01/26/2009 6:50:55 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: El Gato

The only verification of birth that the state of Hawaii issues is the Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted a photoshopped copy of on the web. The state of Hawaii does not issue long form Certifications
That turns out to be wrong. The state itself requires a long form certificate for purposes of the Hawaii Lands program, and the US State department does likewise under certain conditions.

The long form just takes longer to get, because someone has to drag out the file and xerox it, and then stamp the copy with the state seal.

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands site

Primary Documents

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:

* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,
including testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.

You will need the certified birth certificates for:

* Yourself
* Your biological father; and
* Your biological mother

The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically).

If your biological parents’ documents don’t clearly prove that you have at least 50 percent Hawaiian ancestry, you will also need certified birth certificates for:

* Your biological father’s parents; and
* Your biological mother’s parents.

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Please note that DOH no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.

So they will issue one. And they’ll issue one for other purposes as well. Nice talking point, but it’s wrong.


Is Obama applying for the Hawaiian Lands Program as an indigenous Native Hawaiian?
The only proof of native born citizen status that McCain, Obama, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney or any other candidate needs to show is an official document issued by a state which lists a place of birth and a date of birth. PERIOD.
Obama has presented that. The only legitimate legal question is whether or not the documentation that he has presented is forged or fraudulent. A subpoena for the original document and a comparison to his document should clear that up rather quickly.
I’m surprised that no such subpoena has ever been issued.


99 posted on 01/26/2009 9:31:41 AM PST by jamese777
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