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To: jamese777
The “order” that I’m most interested in is a court ORDER from a judge, any judge, anywhere, that issues a subpoena for Barack Hussein Obama II’s original, long form, vault copy Certification of Live Birth from the Hawaii Department of Health.

The long form is the Certificate of Live Birth, or possibly the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or the Late Birth Cerficate. The short form, aka the abstract version (which is the most discriptive title) is the Certification of Live Birth. The Certification is not an "on file" document, it's generated upon request, is not a "copy" of anything, and contains only a subset of the information on the Long Form. It will likely become obsolete, as the images of the full Long Form versions are put into computer data bases, and will be able to be printed as easily as the abtract version now is.

150 posted on 01/26/2009 6:12:29 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

The long form is the Certificate of Live Birth, or possibly the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or the Late Birth Cerficate. The short form, aka the abstract version (which is the most discriptive title) is the Certification of Live Birth. The Certification is not an “on file” document, it’s generated upon request, is not a “copy” of anything, and contains only a subset of the information on the Long Form. It will likely become obsolete, as the images of the full Long Form versions are put into computer data bases, and will be able to be printed as easily as the abtract version now is.

Yes, that is correct. On the short form COLB it states: “I certify this a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department Of Health.” Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. State Registrar
The only relevant information on either the long or short version is date of birth and the place of birth. The only relevant legal issue is whether the document is authentic and unaltered or a forgery.


153 posted on 01/26/2009 6:46:21 PM PST by jamese777
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