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To: El Gato

The long form is the Certificate of Live Birth, or possibly the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or the Late Birth Cerficate. The short form, aka the abstract version (which is the most discriptive title) is the Certification of Live Birth. The Certification is not an “on file” document, it’s generated upon request, is not a “copy” of anything, and contains only a subset of the information on the Long Form. It will likely become obsolete, as the images of the full Long Form versions are put into computer data bases, and will be able to be printed as easily as the abtract version now is.

Yes, that is correct. On the short form COLB it states: “I certify this a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department Of Health.” Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D. State Registrar
The only relevant information on either the long or short version is date of birth and the place of birth. The only relevant legal issue is whether the document is authentic and unaltered or a forgery.


153 posted on 01/26/2009 6:46:21 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
The only relevant information on either the long or short version is date of birth and the place of birth. The only relevant legal issue is whether the document is authentic and unaltered or a forgery.

So say you. Others maintain that there is more to Natural Born Citizenship than being born in the US.

But that said, since The One has freely admitted he was a British subject at birth, as well as perhaps an American Citizen, why not provide access to either form and be done with at least that part of the issue? That can be done by providing a letter to the Hawaii Department of Health, or to anyone wishing to obtain the document, authorizing access. That sort of "third party" access is allowed under Hawaii law. That way the certified document would be provided directly to those wishing to view it, without going through anyone else's hands, thus preventing even the appearance of any impropriety. Since the issue of his dual nationality at birth is "in the open" nothing tending to show that would be a problem for him... or would it? It would be official then, rather than something in a book *he* ostensibly wrote. I mean, how do even the Kenyan Obamas know that Barack Hussein Obama, born in Kenya and raised by "Grandma Sarah" really was his father? He certainly doesn't look much like BHO Sr. He looks like his maternal grandfather, with a darker completion and eyes wavy hair, and slightly broader nose and fuller lips, but not much of any of those other than the complexion. (Grandpa Dunham was a real paleface, even after living in Hawaii for years.)

154 posted on 01/26/2009 6:58:48 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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